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<blockquote data-quote="cronhelm" data-source="post: 517" data-attributes="member: 98"><p>I find it highly interesting to read my fellow boardmember's comments on their experiences with the non-believers out there.</p><p></p><p>I have a part-time job in a rather large gunstore and I can tell you with absolute certaintity that the average hunter knows next to nothing about shooting and target rifles. They are completely ignorant of ballistics, range estimation and bullet performance on game.</p><p></p><p>Most hunters will drop $1000 on a rifle, $150 on a scope and $15 on a single box of the cheapest ammo they can find. This is typical of what we see at the store.</p><p></p><p>The questions and statements we hear in the store are, in many cases, just short of astounding in their ignorance.</p><p></p><p>Just to give you an idea, here are a couple of my favourites:</p><p></p><p>Guy comes in looking for a buttpad for a .308. When I asked him what kind of rifle he just looked at me like I was a complete idiot and said "Don't you have a buttpad for a .308?" This is kind of like trying to buy tires for a sportscar and having no clue what make or model.</p><p></p><p>The other one happened just this week. We had a guy purchase a Weatherby rifle in 30-378. While we were talking about reloading components, I became suspicious of his lack of knowledge of basic ballistics so I asked what he was planning to use the rifle for. (This is a common question we ask because most people have no idea what they need and are usually operating on the "Uncle Bob told me the .17-50BMG was the best so thats what I want for polar bear hunting." principle).</p><p></p><p>This guy admitted that he wanted the rifle for "long-range" hunting. OK, says I, then the piddly little 150 gr bullet you are buying is a waste of time for that purpose. Try the 220gr Matchking. He wasn't interested as someone had told him the 150gr was the way to go. </p><p></p><p>My next questions revealed that this guy figured 500yds was a long-range shot and that he didn't have target turrets on his scope so he had no way of adjusting for long shots. I suppose he figured he was just going to hold over a bit more for the really long shots.</p><p></p><p>We also see a lot of people who figure that the price of a rifle is directly connected to the inability of the rifle to miss. "Couldn't miss with that one." is one we hear a lot.</p><p></p><p>The guy wuth the 30-378 didn't seem to show any understanding when I told him holding over wouldn't get him past 300 yds and that the CANNON he had purchased was better suited to 1000+ yd shots. If he wanted to shoot at 500yds then a 30-06 would have been a better choice.</p><p></p><p>In the end I just shook my head and sold the guy a $130 box of factory 150gr Weatherby ammo cause he wanted to compare it to his loaded ammo. What comparisons he wanted to make he wasn't clear on. The box of 220gr bullets went back on the shelf.</p><p></p><p>How he was planning to estimate range or bullet drop at "long-range" I will never know.</p><p></p><p>Maybe it is this type of "long-range" hunter that is giving the rest of us a bad name but on the other hand we can't hold these guy's hands while they muddle through it, deterined to be ignorant, only to figure out it is impossible to make a shot past 400yds. </p><p></p><p>Peter Cronhelm</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cronhelm, post: 517, member: 98"] I find it highly interesting to read my fellow boardmember's comments on their experiences with the non-believers out there. I have a part-time job in a rather large gunstore and I can tell you with absolute certaintity that the average hunter knows next to nothing about shooting and target rifles. They are completely ignorant of ballistics, range estimation and bullet performance on game. Most hunters will drop $1000 on a rifle, $150 on a scope and $15 on a single box of the cheapest ammo they can find. This is typical of what we see at the store. The questions and statements we hear in the store are, in many cases, just short of astounding in their ignorance. Just to give you an idea, here are a couple of my favourites: Guy comes in looking for a buttpad for a .308. When I asked him what kind of rifle he just looked at me like I was a complete idiot and said "Don't you have a buttpad for a .308?" This is kind of like trying to buy tires for a sportscar and having no clue what make or model. The other one happened just this week. We had a guy purchase a Weatherby rifle in 30-378. While we were talking about reloading components, I became suspicious of his lack of knowledge of basic ballistics so I asked what he was planning to use the rifle for. (This is a common question we ask because most people have no idea what they need and are usually operating on the "Uncle Bob told me the .17-50BMG was the best so thats what I want for polar bear hunting." principle). This guy admitted that he wanted the rifle for "long-range" hunting. OK, says I, then the piddly little 150 gr bullet you are buying is a waste of time for that purpose. Try the 220gr Matchking. He wasn't interested as someone had told him the 150gr was the way to go. My next questions revealed that this guy figured 500yds was a long-range shot and that he didn't have target turrets on his scope so he had no way of adjusting for long shots. I suppose he figured he was just going to hold over a bit more for the really long shots. We also see a lot of people who figure that the price of a rifle is directly connected to the inability of the rifle to miss. "Couldn't miss with that one." is one we hear a lot. The guy wuth the 30-378 didn't seem to show any understanding when I told him holding over wouldn't get him past 300 yds and that the CANNON he had purchased was better suited to 1000+ yd shots. If he wanted to shoot at 500yds then a 30-06 would have been a better choice. In the end I just shook my head and sold the guy a $130 box of factory 150gr Weatherby ammo cause he wanted to compare it to his loaded ammo. What comparisons he wanted to make he wasn't clear on. The box of 220gr bullets went back on the shelf. How he was planning to estimate range or bullet drop at "long-range" I will never know. Maybe it is this type of "long-range" hunter that is giving the rest of us a bad name but on the other hand we can't hold these guy's hands while they muddle through it, deterined to be ignorant, only to figure out it is impossible to make a shot past 400yds. Peter Cronhelm [/QUOTE]
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