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<blockquote data-quote="X-man" data-source="post: 801859" data-attributes="member: 8416"><p>I thought you were suggesting a 133" correction for a 1 second TOF and a 10 degree cant.</p><p>I went back and re read you post and discovered I had miss read your table.</p><p>I wasn't trying to be a jerk...Sometimes it just happens. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>My apologies! </p><p></p><p>FWIW several years ago I was one of the shooters over at Snipershide asking Brian Litz for a correction table/factor for rifle cant that actually matched our field data. During that time I spent months with an angle finder taped to my stock and though math isn't my thing I do understand the end values for a canted rifle. Brian solved the problem like it was nothing. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p> </p><p>That said this is Long Range Hunting and though I draw no fixed line I try to stay inside 600 yards. Once I cross 600 yards I know things start to get complicated in a big hurry. At 1000 yards the variables (for me) are outside of my personal envelope of a sure kill. Out here your 10 degree cant value of 6 inches is noteworthy, however a 10mph wind has 10 times that value. Also four MPH wind error has 4 times the consequence of a 10 degree cant. To put it further into perspective a ten degree rifle cant has the same value at 1000 yards as does spin drift.....Clearly you understand all of this, and have already said as much, but if a guy is asking if he needs a level to hunt with....I don't believe he does.</p><p></p><p>Mikecr's Pennsylvania post got me thinking that I should also point out that I am not a prairie shooter and that I shoot in a heavily treed stands of Douglas Fir (tall straight and level and the crooked ones stand out). So I am surrounded by level points that (for me) are plenty accurate out beyond 1000 yards.</p><p>If going by what Mike says and I went deer hunting in Pennsylvania and I could actually cant my rifle 20 degrees...then at my self prescribed 600-700 yards I have a significant error of 8 inches or so. </p><p>In that environment I concede you may need a level.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="X-man, post: 801859, member: 8416"] I thought you were suggesting a 133" correction for a 1 second TOF and a 10 degree cant. I went back and re read you post and discovered I had miss read your table. I wasn't trying to be a jerk...Sometimes it just happens. :) My apologies! FWIW several years ago I was one of the shooters over at Snipershide asking Brian Litz for a correction table/factor for rifle cant that actually matched our field data. During that time I spent months with an angle finder taped to my stock and though math isn't my thing I do understand the end values for a canted rifle. Brian solved the problem like it was nothing. :) That said this is Long Range Hunting and though I draw no fixed line I try to stay inside 600 yards. Once I cross 600 yards I know things start to get complicated in a big hurry. At 1000 yards the variables (for me) are outside of my personal envelope of a sure kill. Out here your 10 degree cant value of 6 inches is noteworthy, however a 10mph wind has 10 times that value. Also four MPH wind error has 4 times the consequence of a 10 degree cant. To put it further into perspective a ten degree rifle cant has the same value at 1000 yards as does spin drift.....Clearly you understand all of this, and have already said as much, but if a guy is asking if he needs a level to hunt with....I don't believe he does. Mikecr's Pennsylvania post got me thinking that I should also point out that I am not a prairie shooter and that I shoot in a heavily treed stands of Douglas Fir (tall straight and level and the crooked ones stand out). So I am surrounded by level points that (for me) are plenty accurate out beyond 1000 yards. If going by what Mike says and I went deer hunting in Pennsylvania and I could actually cant my rifle 20 degrees...then at my self prescribed 600-700 yards I have a significant error of 8 inches or so. In that environment I concede you may need a level. [/QUOTE]
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