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<blockquote data-quote="MagnumManiac" data-source="post: 2431199" data-attributes="member: 10755"><p>There is not a single ammo factory to my knowledge that uses induction to anneal cases, they all use a flame of the CORRECT size and temperature at the inner point of the blue flame at the CORRECT distance from the brass.</p><p>What I have seen at the ADI factory is a set-up with 2 torches and the case is rotated in the flame for the desired time.</p><p>Every flame annealer set-up correctly that I have seen gets an ORANGE hue in the flame when the correct temp is reached. It normally lasts for a second before the case drops out.</p><p>As I used to anneal differing metals for a job, copper and brass both give off this orange hue. Aluminium gives of a pinkish flame as it goes past the anneal temp.</p><p>Steels, give off no colour, but does change colour in the metal itself, as we know it gets the rainbow too.</p><p>If you honestly think that a timed flame that is controlled for heat and time is not as good as a different heating method that is timed, then I think you are falling for hype.</p><p>Being an engine builder, I see more and more aspects of engine part manufacturing going to induction heat treating over other methods, when asked why, every single time the answer is COST. Nothing to do with which method is better or not.</p><p>I prefer nitriding, because it is a thorough heat soak in a salt bath where the grain structure has plenty of time to normalise. Blasting heat into steel and then switching it off doesn't allow a normalise. Have seen plenty of cranks break and crack right on the line that denotes where the heat treat stopped.</p><p>I know brass is a totally different animal, but either method of induction or flame is getting the same result regardless of what someone says is THE better method.</p><p></p><p>Cheers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MagnumManiac, post: 2431199, member: 10755"] There is not a single ammo factory to my knowledge that uses induction to anneal cases, they all use a flame of the CORRECT size and temperature at the inner point of the blue flame at the CORRECT distance from the brass. What I have seen at the ADI factory is a set-up with 2 torches and the case is rotated in the flame for the desired time. Every flame annealer set-up correctly that I have seen gets an ORANGE hue in the flame when the correct temp is reached. It normally lasts for a second before the case drops out. As I used to anneal differing metals for a job, copper and brass both give off this orange hue. Aluminium gives of a pinkish flame as it goes past the anneal temp. Steels, give off no colour, but does change colour in the metal itself, as we know it gets the rainbow too. If you honestly think that a timed flame that is controlled for heat and time is not as good as a different heating method that is timed, then I think you are falling for hype. Being an engine builder, I see more and more aspects of engine part manufacturing going to induction heat treating over other methods, when asked why, every single time the answer is COST. Nothing to do with which method is better or not. I prefer nitriding, because it is a thorough heat soak in a salt bath where the grain structure has plenty of time to normalise. Blasting heat into steel and then switching it off doesn’t allow a normalise. Have seen plenty of cranks break and crack right on the line that denotes where the heat treat stopped. I know brass is a totally different animal, but either method of induction or flame is getting the same result regardless of what someone says is THE better method. Cheers. [/QUOTE]
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