Am I in trouble

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by carnyman, Oct 12, 2013.

  1. carnyman

    carnyman Well-Known Member

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    With the new lead ban in Cali is my 6.5-.284 Norma relegated to pedestrian? I see they don't make over a 120 gr all copper bullet. How will these perform when you start extending the range out to 1000 yards. I built this rifle last year and its lights out with 140 gr VLDs. Just looking for any thoughts/ experiences anyone may have. Thank you for the replies in advance.
     
  2. Greyfox

    Greyfox Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately, if 1000 ft/pds of energy which can be achieved at 1000 yards with a 140 VLD was your requirement, you will now be getting this at 500-600 yards. Even if a bullet maker produces a sleek 140, it will be very long and likely restrict powder capacity in the 6.5x284.
     

  3. carnyman

    carnyman Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the f*** ing Kali! This thing is still going out of state. Man I love this rifle.
     
  4. Sendero_Man

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    sounds like the law goes into affect in 2019... shoot up all your lead !
     
  5. RockyMtnMT

    RockyMtnMT Official LRH Sponsor

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    What is the twist in your rifle? GS Custom built me some heavier 6.5's to try this year. They function differently than lead core. You can't look at them the same way. Kinda like apples and oranges. Not looking to start a bullet debate here just what I prefer. And I don't have bullet restrictions. With these new longer HV's the bc's are pretty good and muzzle vel will significantly increase. Your long range potential will increase. I will be confirming drops on a 6.5-06 running the 117g HV at 3450 fps tomorrow. Hopefully the weather will be good. This will maintain 1000 ft/lb at about 1100 yards. 17.6 moa drop and 4.17 moa drift for a 10mph wind. Your 6.5-284 will run this as well or better. These numbers are using a projected bc of .6. This worked at 600 but that means nothing. Will get it out to 1000 or so tomorrow.

    Steve
     
  6. MontanaRifleman

    MontanaRifleman Well-Known Member

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    Cutting Edge makes a 130 and 140 gr bullet. The BC's wont be quite what the VLD's are but they are pretty good and for weight, you can shoot them a little faster. One of our Wyoming members tried the 140's in his 8.4" twist 6.5 WSM and they would not stabilize. They are stabilizing in an 8 twist in our higher elevations.
     
  7. 4xforfun

    4xforfun Well-Known Member

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    My thoughts......"SCREW IT...SHOOT LEAD"!! What is it...a $50.00 fine?? And who is going to catch you? Just keep some loaded coppers on hand in the field.

    They banned lead shot here in ND for waterfoul. Everyone I know shoots lead. No one has been caught yet, and IF you get caught....$25.00 fine.

    Screw it.
     
  8. carnyman

    carnyman Well-Known Member

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    Thanks guys. I'm running a 25" 8.5 twist Brux. Can't wait to hear how those GS Customs come out. Thanks again for the info. Guess ill just have to burn up the good stuff in the next 5 years.
     
  9. carnyman

    carnyman Well-Known Member

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    I like your thinking 4x but nothing in this state is that easy. My $25 cell phone ticket cost me over $90. They always get ya with the "cost of the court" BS. Maybe by 2019 I can talk the family into another state. Socialism, I'm on my way...
     
  10. RockyMtnMT

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    8.5 is what I am running in the 6.5-06. Headed to the range now to do some short range work before tomorrow. What is your elevation? We are generally no lower than 3000 ft.

    Steve
     
  11. carnyman

    carnyman Well-Known Member

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    I'm at about 100'. Let me know how it goes. Good luck.
     
  12. digger11

    digger11 Well-Known Member

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    Barnes makes a great all copper 127gr LRX. I'll give you a few to try. I feel your pain,my 6.5x284 eats berger 140 gr hybrids.
    Also 4X has a valid point.
     
  13. carnyman

    carnyman Well-Known Member

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    Thanks digger. Ill order some. Kinda hoping this will get these company's to address the need. I built mine on a long action for the longer bullets so I'm not worried about the length.
     
  14. Kiwi Greg

    Kiwi Greg Well-Known Member

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    I use the Hornady 120 GMX in my 6.5 wsm at around 3400fps they shoot very well & are accurate out past 1000.

    I'm not sure how the terminal performance will be way out there, but they are very good at "normal" ranges.

    They are longer than the 140 Amax & appear to be very similar in shape.

    I have used plenty of Cutting Edge .375, .416 & .510, they are great.

    Haven't tried any on the smaller ones yet but would assume they would do the job very well.