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<blockquote data-quote="Ackley Man" data-source="post: 341284" data-attributes="member: 16583"><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Before anyone can accurately steer you in the right direction the are some questions that you need to answer. You state that you want to be able to confidently hunt out to 500 yards. Since there are few hunters who can consistently make humane kills at that distance in all types of conditions are we to assume that you have practiced extensively at medium long ranges and are relatively proficient at 500 yards? You also state that the deer you will be hunting max at 170 pounds. Is that live weight or dressed weight. If it is live weight I assume you may live in Arizona and are hunting Coues deer that traditionally are shot at medium long distances or possibly you live in Texas where medium long shots are also not uncommon. So my point is, does the hunting that you will be doing mandate longer shots regularly? As it relates to a caliber choice, anything less than .243 Winchester on medium sized game at longer distances should be out of the question as they give up too much energy. Although a Winchester 308 is an inherently accurate round it does not have the best trajectory and will take some mastering of the windage and elevation. Additionally, a 30 caliber really isn't necessary for taking small deer. A round with a flatter trajectory is more forgiving for obvious reasons. Another thing you didn't mention is if there are other game species other than deer and pigs you may want to hunt later on with your new gun. In any event, if you may ever want to go for Elk, Black Bear and maybe even Moose you may want to consider a 7mm Rem Mag. You can use 130 grain bullets for deer and pigs and step up to 160+ grain for larger animals. Obviously there are other calibers that would be a good fit for your small deer and pig outings that are relatively flat shooters. Don't let the nomenclature "magnum" dissuade you from choosing one. Take a look at the ballistics on a .270 WSM (Winchester short magnum). The perfect all round cartridge for all hunting conditions does not exist. However, any given cartridge will bring something better than many others to the table to only give up something that others have. This is way serious hunter have numerous guns in different calibers. You just need to determine what your new gun will be used for most of the time. Finally, is you should decided that your gun will be used for a broad range of game animials put some thought into the rate of twist of the barrel to insure it will handle the range of bullet weights that you will possibly be using. Good luck in your choice.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ackley Man, post: 341284, member: 16583"] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Before anyone can accurately steer you in the right direction the are some questions that you need to answer. You state that you want to be able to confidently hunt out to 500 yards. Since there are few hunters who can consistently make humane kills at that distance in all types of conditions are we to assume that you have practiced extensively at medium long ranges and are relatively proficient at 500 yards? You also state that the deer you will be hunting max at 170 pounds. Is that live weight or dressed weight. If it is live weight I assume you may live in Arizona and are hunting Coues deer that traditionally are shot at medium long distances or possibly you live in Texas where medium long shots are also not uncommon. So my point is, does the hunting that you will be doing mandate longer shots regularly? As it relates to a caliber choice, anything less than .243 Winchester on medium sized game at longer distances should be out of the question as they give up too much energy. Although a Winchester 308 is an inherently accurate round it does not have the best trajectory and will take some mastering of the windage and elevation. Additionally, a 30 caliber really isn't necessary for taking small deer. A round with a flatter trajectory is more forgiving for obvious reasons. Another thing you didn't mention is if there are other game species other than deer and pigs you may want to hunt later on with your new gun. In any event, if you may ever want to go for Elk, Black Bear and maybe even Moose you may want to consider a 7mm Rem Mag. You can use 130 grain bullets for deer and pigs and step up to 160+ grain for larger animals. Obviously there are other calibers that would be a good fit for your small deer and pig outings that are relatively flat shooters. Don't let the nomenclature "magnum" dissuade you from choosing one. Take a look at the ballistics on a .270 WSM (Winchester short magnum). The perfect all round cartridge for all hunting conditions does not exist. However, any given cartridge will bring something better than many others to the table to only give up something that others have. This is way serious hunter have numerous guns in different calibers. You just need to determine what your new gun will be used for most of the time. Finally, is you should decided that your gun will be used for a broad range of game animials put some thought into the rate of twist of the barrel to insure it will handle the range of bullet weights that you will possibly be using. Good luck in your choice.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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