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Access to public vs private land for hunting? Beginning of the end?
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<blockquote data-quote="Buck Buster" data-source="post: 1564166" data-attributes="member: 99718"><p>The PGC is big into lumbering too, when I worked for them I attended a weekend training at Lock Haven University ! At that time they said that they ( PGC ) wanted to harvest 1% of the PGC owned timber each year so every 100 years they can start all over again ! The deer numbers continue to be less every year on public land, and there is as I said more deer in some places and one of those places are the steep slopes that the long range hunters look onto, not many people venture onto them, and the crews are about a thing of the past so the steep sides should have a few more deer on them, in fact I feel even when crews were in good numbers the side hills had more deer on them, and even more after season began as the crews would chase many deer onto them !Another thing that was NOT a factor when we had a lot of deer, is the COYOTE, they did not exist in PA back in the 60's and early 70's My brother and I were the first I know of that trapped coyotes in Clinton County and the surrounding areas ! Now they are everywhere in large numbers ! The PGC has said they don't have much effect on the deer herd and that bears kill more fawns then coyotes do ! Let me tell you something, I don't remember EVER seeing deer hair in bear dung, and I don't remember EVER NOT seeing it in coyote dung ! The coyotes are hard on our deer population , not so much on adult deer unless they are crippled or there is a weather condition where the deer sing into the sow and the coyotes run on top of it, this can be a real problem ! Not this past flintlock season but last years I saw where coyotes started an attack on a deer and the fight came down onto an old logging road and down it for maybe 15 yards then below it for about 20 or 30 yards ! It looked like a pack had caught this deer and literally ate it alive ! There was blood the whole distance that the fight lasted and all that was left were bones and few pieces of the insides ! I have pics of it but I have never been able to get any pics on here . And I have spotlighted and that only confirms my quote that there are many more deer on private lands and near them than there are on the state owned lands ! Like you said the average size bucks are larger with antler restrictions, but some areas that have not so good of genes the antler restrictions should not be in place ! What I have noticed is that many of your bucks are getting a trait where they have no brow tines ! This is genetics ! I rattled an 18" buck in this year the last week of archery season on state land, he caught me as I was hanging my antlers up, so I froze, he stood there a couple minutes they lowly walked behind some small pine I hung up the antlers and grabbed bed my bow. Next time I saw him he was walking away, so I hung up the bow and grabbed my binoculars to look him over ! He had a huge Y on the left side and not a point on his left just a long main beam ! An 18 inch 3 point ! Most anyone seeing this buck running through the woods would have been throwing lead at it and that brigs up another issue the passing of semi auto rifles, a lot of hunters aren't careful watching what is beyond the deer they are shooting at now, like I said I passed on a small eight point the last day of his past deer season because I could see houses beyond the deer in a great distance, many guys would have shot, and now I feel those type of hunters in the woods can only lead to more hunting accidents with the passing of this law. Just one last word on spotlighting, we always take about the same trip when spotlighting and in the mid 60's we would see 150 to 200 deer a night the same trip now you will be lucky to count 25 or 30 ! Go to the private farm country that ISN"T filled with Amish and you could see that many in one field on a good night ! The regulations that the PGC made with Gary Alt led to the posting of a lot of properties, because they wanted to have deer not just hunters on their property ! If they make Sunday hunting legal that will surly close more land to hunters !</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Buck Buster, post: 1564166, member: 99718"] The PGC is big into lumbering too, when I worked for them I attended a weekend training at Lock Haven University ! At that time they said that they ( PGC ) wanted to harvest 1% of the PGC owned timber each year so every 100 years they can start all over again ! The deer numbers continue to be less every year on public land, and there is as I said more deer in some places and one of those places are the steep slopes that the long range hunters look onto, not many people venture onto them, and the crews are about a thing of the past so the steep sides should have a few more deer on them, in fact I feel even when crews were in good numbers the side hills had more deer on them, and even more after season began as the crews would chase many deer onto them !Another thing that was NOT a factor when we had a lot of deer, is the COYOTE, they did not exist in PA back in the 60's and early 70's My brother and I were the first I know of that trapped coyotes in Clinton County and the surrounding areas ! Now they are everywhere in large numbers ! The PGC has said they don't have much effect on the deer herd and that bears kill more fawns then coyotes do ! Let me tell you something, I don't remember EVER seeing deer hair in bear dung, and I don't remember EVER NOT seeing it in coyote dung ! The coyotes are hard on our deer population , not so much on adult deer unless they are crippled or there is a weather condition where the deer sing into the sow and the coyotes run on top of it, this can be a real problem ! Not this past flintlock season but last years I saw where coyotes started an attack on a deer and the fight came down onto an old logging road and down it for maybe 15 yards then below it for about 20 or 30 yards ! It looked like a pack had caught this deer and literally ate it alive ! There was blood the whole distance that the fight lasted and all that was left were bones and few pieces of the insides ! I have pics of it but I have never been able to get any pics on here . And I have spotlighted and that only confirms my quote that there are many more deer on private lands and near them than there are on the state owned lands ! Like you said the average size bucks are larger with antler restrictions, but some areas that have not so good of genes the antler restrictions should not be in place ! What I have noticed is that many of your bucks are getting a trait where they have no brow tines ! This is genetics ! I rattled an 18" buck in this year the last week of archery season on state land, he caught me as I was hanging my antlers up, so I froze, he stood there a couple minutes they lowly walked behind some small pine I hung up the antlers and grabbed bed my bow. Next time I saw him he was walking away, so I hung up the bow and grabbed my binoculars to look him over ! He had a huge Y on the left side and not a point on his left just a long main beam ! An 18 inch 3 point ! Most anyone seeing this buck running through the woods would have been throwing lead at it and that brigs up another issue the passing of semi auto rifles, a lot of hunters aren't careful watching what is beyond the deer they are shooting at now, like I said I passed on a small eight point the last day of his past deer season because I could see houses beyond the deer in a great distance, many guys would have shot, and now I feel those type of hunters in the woods can only lead to more hunting accidents with the passing of this law. Just one last word on spotlighting, we always take about the same trip when spotlighting and in the mid 60's we would see 150 to 200 deer a night the same trip now you will be lucky to count 25 or 30 ! Go to the private farm country that ISN"T filled with Amish and you could see that many in one field on a good night ! The regulations that the PGC made with Gary Alt led to the posting of a lot of properties, because they wanted to have deer not just hunters on their property ! If they make Sunday hunting legal that will surly close more land to hunters ! [/QUOTE]
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