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<blockquote data-quote="Dave King" data-source="post: 42074" data-attributes="member: 3"><p>Come on Guy's, he's pulling our leg (a bit).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Prohunter, we can take a little ribbing now and again but I'll reply a bit too. Just to let you know we're regular folks.</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>I've been following this thread with interest, and on the whole, find the replies quite funny, and typical of hunters that have all the knowledge, and none of the experience.</em></p><p></p><p> I assume you mean African experience and if so you're correct on my part, never been there. I have plans to go and take my wife along (she's pretty tough for an American (U.S. American vice Canadian American or Mexican American or Central American, etc)). Some of the replies could be quite funny I guess in retrospect but they're not too funny when a deer or bear guide shows up and he's obviously been recently recruited from a chow line in the nearest town and we end up with a liability rather than an assistant. And talk about good info some of these Johnny-come-lately's offer, whew!!! "You can tell a big bear because it can't climb a tree!" Well, let me run through the bush treeing every bear I come across and shoot the reluctant ones. It was sort of funny to hear at the time <img src="http://images/icons/smile.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" />.</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>You can clearly distinguish deer hunters from all others by their complaints about bad guides, lying outfitters, no hot water on tap, lack of comfortable accommodation, food, and most of all, their desire for a cheap hunt. Typical!</em></p><p></p><p> We covered a bit about bad guides, they do happen. One thing I'm (and others I know) are not interested in is a cheap hunt. Can't stand being around a less money is everything person. Sign me up for a $15,000 hunt over a $10,000 hunt anytime, heard too many horror stories about "cheap" hunts. As long as the accomodations for me are the same as for the guide(s) and outfitter (if he/she is around) I'm in tall cotton. A little forewarning might be in order though so I don't bring my three piece suit on a camp out.</p><p></p><p> </p><p><em>The only thing that no-one has complained about, (probably because it's too embarrassing), is that the outfitter didn't deliver the poor animal right into your lap without messing up your fancy suit.</em></p><p></p><p> Like you, I've heard folks complain when they don't get a critter. I guess they figure the money is for the critter and not the hunt and opportunity to get a critter and I can somewhat see that for some folks as it's a once-in-a-lifetime deal for some.</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>How about tracking an African elephant for 31 days, sleeping in the veldt, being stung by scorpions, sucked dry by mosquitoes, with nothing but maize porridge for breakfast, lunch and dinner, with no early morning coffee, no cold beer, and certainly no Jack Daniels to clear the dust clotting your throat?</em></p><p></p><p>whooo-hooo, sign me up! I seen that movie, it was with a little Bushman maned Gao and Dolph Lundgren... ooops maybe not. Not a problem, let's go but let me know ahead of time this is a possibility so I can pack some sun screen and mosquito repellant, no scorpion stuff here so I'd need a hand-up on that.</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>Watching your guide on day 17, with nothing to tell who's suffered the most, you or him, and whether or not to call it quits and bring this madness to an end?</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Eventually, on the 31st day, when I shot the animal, I couldn't be bothered, or care less, about the weight of those beautiful tusks that I'd first seen on day 5, while observing the animal, far out of range.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>I have been hunting in the most remote parts of sub-Saharan Africa for most of my life, and stopped collecting trophies many moons ago. I still partake in this sport on a regular basis though, because I love it so much.</em></p><p></p><p> This was with Dolph Lundgren and Regopstaan as Gao the Bushman. </p><p></p><p><em>Having read all the funny remarks, obviously mostly from Americans, I cannot help but appreciate the foresight of our Creator, as he obviously knew very well who to put where on earth.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>C'mon you sissies, show some balls and put your money where your mouth is! Once you've hunted in Africa consistently for at least 5 years, you'll have gained enough experience to call yourselves hunters, and to appreciate the fact that your outfitter stuck a cold beer in your hand in the middle of the Kalahari desert with the temperatures soaring into the 40's. Never mind the fact that you didn't have your "usual" breakfast of bacon and eggs and little pork sausages.</em></p><p></p><p> That "hunters" remark hurt, we're hunters too. We only hunt the safe critters though, nothing dangerous... Wouldn't want to lose an eye or anything and surely wouldn't want to be carried back home in a 5-gallon bucket after a "stick and stomp" session, that's what PH's are for!</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>For many of the above reasons, it is unlawful in most of Africa to let loose these sissies on their own, as they would be dead within 48 hours. Because of this, they are provided with a Professional Hunter to make sure that they get to the airport in one piece.</em></p><p></p><p> A little lighter in the wallet and longer on tall tales no doubt! I believe we could get along for a while. BTW, how fast can you run??? I'm kinda a slow runner and if you're pretty fast I can see I'll need extra bullets to defend myself from maurading hyenas, lions, hippos, scorpions, tokoloshi and whatever else shows up. </p><p></p><p></p><p><em>It's no fun to find out that you've been tracking yourself for 10 days in the bush if you don't know what you were doing, and then join the statistics with so many others who have become an easy meal for a lion, or a late afternoon snack for a hungry hyena.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Still, maybe I have exaggerated a bit, and you guys are not that bad, but surely you'll have to agree that hunters such as Hemingway, Ruark, Selous, and of late; Peter Hathaway Capstick, are not around anymore. Even myself, I consider part of a dying breed.</em></p><p></p><p> Teller of tall tales, Peter Hathaway Capstick, good stories but how many we're true (or near true). How about that hippo attack, wasn't that Valerie and Ron Taylor that happened to??</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>The true value of sport hunting cannot be measured by the "luxuries" that have become so much part of a modern generation. Trust me; it is the experience, which has no monetary value, which by the end of the day, as you sit quietly contemplating your memoirs, will ultimately remain. Not the "humorous" guide who had to listen to your nonsense, including the past experiences which, in an African context, suddenly become meaningless.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>I just thought that I'd offer a different perspective on the whole issue. I trust that you will take it in the spirit in which it's intended.</em></p><p></p><p></p><p> I take it that you offered this in good spirit, odd and sort of sharp. Stick around, have fun and take care because we get grumpy sometimes too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dave King, post: 42074, member: 3"] Come on Guy's, he's pulling our leg (a bit). Prohunter, we can take a little ribbing now and again but I'll reply a bit too. Just to let you know we're regular folks. [I]I’ve been following this thread with interest, and on the whole, find the replies quite funny, and typical of hunters that have all the knowledge, and none of the experience.[/I] I assume you mean African experience and if so you're correct on my part, never been there. I have plans to go and take my wife along (she's pretty tough for an American (U.S. American vice Canadian American or Mexican American or Central American, etc)). Some of the replies could be quite funny I guess in retrospect but they're not too funny when a deer or bear guide shows up and he's obviously been recently recruited from a chow line in the nearest town and we end up with a liability rather than an assistant. And talk about good info some of these Johnny-come-lately's offer, whew!!! "You can tell a big bear because it can't climb a tree!" Well, let me run through the bush treeing every bear I come across and shoot the reluctant ones. It was sort of funny to hear at the time [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]. [I]You can clearly distinguish deer hunters from all others by their complaints about bad guides, lying outfitters, no hot water on tap, lack of comfortable accommodation, food, and most of all, their desire for a cheap hunt. Typical![/I] We covered a bit about bad guides, they do happen. One thing I'm (and others I know) are not interested in is a cheap hunt. Can't stand being around a less money is everything person. Sign me up for a $15,000 hunt over a $10,000 hunt anytime, heard too many horror stories about "cheap" hunts. As long as the accomodations for me are the same as for the guide(s) and outfitter (if he/she is around) I'm in tall cotton. A little forewarning might be in order though so I don't bring my three piece suit on a camp out. [I]The only thing that no-one has complained about, (probably because it’s too embarrassing), is that the outfitter didn’t deliver the poor animal right into your lap without messing up your fancy suit.[/I] Like you, I've heard folks complain when they don't get a critter. I guess they figure the money is for the critter and not the hunt and opportunity to get a critter and I can somewhat see that for some folks as it's a once-in-a-lifetime deal for some. [I]How about tracking an African elephant for 31 days, sleeping in the veldt, being stung by scorpions, sucked dry by mosquitoes, with nothing but maize porridge for breakfast, lunch and dinner, with no early morning coffee, no cold beer, and certainly no Jack Daniels to clear the dust clotting your throat?[/I] whooo-hooo, sign me up! I seen that movie, it was with a little Bushman maned Gao and Dolph Lundgren... ooops maybe not. Not a problem, let's go but let me know ahead of time this is a possibility so I can pack some sun screen and mosquito repellant, no scorpion stuff here so I'd need a hand-up on that. [I]Watching your guide on day 17, with nothing to tell who’s suffered the most, you or him, and whether or not to call it quits and bring this madness to an end? Eventually, on the 31st day, when I shot the animal, I couldn’t be bothered, or care less, about the weight of those beautiful tusks that I’d first seen on day 5, while observing the animal, far out of range. I have been hunting in the most remote parts of sub-Saharan Africa for most of my life, and stopped collecting trophies many moons ago. I still partake in this sport on a regular basis though, because I love it so much.[/I] This was with Dolph Lundgren and Regopstaan as Gao the Bushman. [I]Having read all the funny remarks, obviously mostly from Americans, I cannot help but appreciate the foresight of our Creator, as he obviously knew very well who to put where on earth. C’mon you sissies, show some balls and put your money where your mouth is! Once you’ve hunted in Africa consistently for at least 5 years, you’ll have gained enough experience to call yourselves hunters, and to appreciate the fact that your outfitter stuck a cold beer in your hand in the middle of the Kalahari desert with the temperatures soaring into the 40’s. Never mind the fact that you didn’t have your “usual” breakfast of bacon and eggs and little pork sausages.[/I] That "hunters" remark hurt, we're hunters too. We only hunt the safe critters though, nothing dangerous... Wouldn't want to lose an eye or anything and surely wouldn't want to be carried back home in a 5-gallon bucket after a "stick and stomp" session, that's what PH's are for! [I]For many of the above reasons, it is unlawful in most of Africa to let loose these sissies on their own, as they would be dead within 48 hours. Because of this, they are provided with a Professional Hunter to make sure that they get to the airport in one piece.[/I] A little lighter in the wallet and longer on tall tales no doubt! I believe we could get along for a while. BTW, how fast can you run??? I'm kinda a slow runner and if you're pretty fast I can see I'll need extra bullets to defend myself from maurading hyenas, lions, hippos, scorpions, tokoloshi and whatever else shows up. [I]It’s no fun to find out that you’ve been tracking yourself for 10 days in the bush if you don’t know what you were doing, and then join the statistics with so many others who have become an easy meal for a lion, or a late afternoon snack for a hungry hyena. Still, maybe I have exaggerated a bit, and you guys are not that bad, but surely you’ll have to agree that hunters such as Hemingway, Ruark, Selous, and of late; Peter Hathaway Capstick, are not around anymore. Even myself, I consider part of a dying breed.[/I] Teller of tall tales, Peter Hathaway Capstick, good stories but how many we're true (or near true). How about that hippo attack, wasn't that Valerie and Ron Taylor that happened to?? [I]The true value of sport hunting cannot be measured by the “luxuries” that have become so much part of a modern generation. Trust me; it is the experience, which has no monetary value, which by the end of the day, as you sit quietly contemplating your memoirs, will ultimately remain. Not the “humorous” guide who had to listen to your nonsense, including the past experiences which, in an African context, suddenly become meaningless. I just thought that I’d offer a different perspective on the whole issue. I trust that you will take it in the spirit in which it’s intended.[/I] I take it that you offered this in good spirit, odd and sort of sharp. Stick around, have fun and take care because we get grumpy sometimes too. [/QUOTE]
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