A must read, by one of our LRH members

Discussion in 'Politics Of Hunting And Guns (NOT General Politics' started by Coyboy, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. Coyboy

    Coyboy Well-Known Member

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    Got this from my friend, Scott Parks.

    It's so strange to live in a world where someone commits an atrocity, and society blames his methods instead of dealing with his intent. It's the same mentality that believes society can tax its way into prosperity without dealing with the root issue of government waste, inefficiency and fraud. The same mentality that wants to punish junk food instead of acknowledging that food-based obesity is quite often the result of individual choices.It seems like we once took the issue of "personal responsibility" seriously. Now, we're a knee-jerk society of finger-pointers desperate for scapegoats, each one trussing up his/her soapbox under the thin veil of compassion. We swat at the symptoms forever as the virus itself remains unexamined and unchecked. I remember the scapegoats of my own youth...video games and rock music...the obvious "reasons" for society's ills. (Anyone see those old videos where they destroyed thousands of pinball machines?)You'd like to make firearms illegal for the law-abiding? Congratulations. You'll have disarmed tens of millions of responsible citizens, and the black-market will tip its hat to you as the non-law-abiding operate without missing a step. Oh. You'd like home-to-home searches to ensure that all weapons are confiscated? That sounds like a wonderful way for a free nation, by the people and for the people, to operate. Perhaps we can take a few extra minutes and enjoy tea with the ATF agents as they tap on the sheet rook looking for hidden stockpiles.On this issue, I like the words of Thomas Jefferson, "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."The utopia of a world free of guns and gun violence is a noble enough notion. It's also a happy-clappy, Utopian fantasy that will never, ever happen. Perhaps it's time to see through the haze of peace pipe smoke and realize that 1) you'll never get 250 million weapons confiscated 2) even if you get the licensed weapons from the law-abiding, guns will continue to be the domain of the criminal and 3) even without guns, you'll still (and always) have all manner of killers, rogues, psychopaths and instruments of horrible death. These things are not new to humanity, and it's a hard fact of life that society's most unstable can and will snap at any moment. And as I understand the desire of good people to find solutions, I'm convinced those solutions should deal with root issues and be based in reality.There are over 300 million people living in the USA. Almost half of all American homes have firearms in them. With that many firearms in that many hands, if they were indeed the cause of all of this trouble, this nation would have, within moments, shredded itself under a blanket of gun smoke. This obviously hasn't happened, and those who can't see the millions of peace-loving (yes, peace-loving), responsible gun owners as more than caricature are obviously not looking (or not seeing, anyway). They want a kum-bah-yah planet where good intentions trump all, a world without aggressors and those who defend against them, a world where a politician's signature on a piece of paper will cure all hearts of darkness, a world where ribbons on our lapels actually solve planet-wide problems, a world where humanity can go to sleep at night with unlocked doors and unconcerned minds. A beautiful fantasy. And a ridiculous one. We can and should find ways to make our world safer...but it will never be safe. I own a Smith & Wesson MP9. I've been trained to use it and often target-shoot for recreation. I keep the weapon secured. It is treated with a healthy respect and is readily accessible for reasons of home defense. Some are skittish about the use of deadly force to protect loved ones. I am not. This doesn't make me a warmonger or nut, a conspiracy theorist or agent of blood lust. It makes me a free, law-abiding citizen who happens to take the first line of responsibility for the protection of his family.Individual responsibility. Within the law. It's how I roll.There are millions like me. Ask yourself...are we really the problem? And will disarming us prevent the next tragic headline? Absolutely not.
     
  2. mtnwrunner

    mtnwrunner Well-Known Member

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    Yes, very good read.
    I have been reading alot the last couple of days and I have to tell you, it is scary on what I have read. I am sickened by what has happened in Newtown and I have a very heavy heart. I am sad for the families, the victims, the first responders, the surviving children and our country. I am also sad for what is about to come.
    Please, please support those organizations and people who value our freedom and constitution. NEVER take our freedom for granted.

    Randy
     

  3. nddodd

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    Thanks for sharing the story Jim,

    I hope and pray the day never comes that someone try's to take my guns, if there was a 100% gaurentee that if I gave my guns up that no man, women or child would ever be harmed in any way I would do it. We all know that will never be the case, although sometimes I wish it could be handled so easily.

    It is truly horrible what happened last week, but taking assault weapons away or banning high capacity mags is not going to stop anyone from killing another. A gun is only a tool, you try to take it away they'll only find another.

    It's funny how some people would rather leave the lives of their children and loved ones in the hands of a police officer that's at best 20-30 minutes away. No thanks I'll do my best to be the one protecting my loved ones.



    Nathan
     
  4. danj

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    Good read and so true!!
     
  5. Joe King

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    I've been following the whole deal, probably as much as everybody else, and it sickens me just as much as everybody else. The reactions though just flat piss me off. We've got Senators that have an A listing by the NRA throwing us under the bus, Obama and his cronies stepping on the dead to get up on their soap box to pander to the fear and hurt. And the shit of it is this isn't new, isn't the worst school shooting, it's not the biggest mass murder. But it sure as hell was preventable. Preventable by giving the defenseless either a way to defend themselves or providing defense for them, preventable by society at large saying yes this kid can turn into a problem. Kids that do these things don't come out of nowhere, they don't just flip like a switch, they develop, they ask for help that is never received their parents scream for help and are told "well there's nothing we can do until he commits a crime and is in the system". Then every body wants to be shocked and dismayed when this kid grows into a young man that doesn't know how to cope, even though mom and dad where at their wits end, tried to get help and got turned away.

    Folks there was 27 not 26 that didn't need to die that day, but society ignored that one and that turned to many more. I would put money on it that each and every one of us knows 2-3 kids that have the potential to do that kind of harm, these kids need to be engaged, they need to be recognized, it doesn't matter how it' done so much as that it's done with the intention of making a good impression on the kid. I'm not saying that we can stop it all that would be stupid to assume but if you and I can turn one around or help to turn one around, that's one you'll never hear about on the national news.

    This pandering done by the politicians in Washington is disgusting, and will do nothing but make matters worse, another gun restriction because the empty retarded ones on the books now work so well.

    I have been reading up on some quotes made by our founding fathers. Here's a link to them. I can't agree more with the what those smart sons a bitches understood 230years ago.
    Gun Related Quotes from the Founding Fathers
     
  6. peashooter

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    I believe we have the answers in front of us, but we are too enlightened as a society to look to an ancient book.
     
  7. royinidaho

    royinidaho Writers Guild

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    Been thinkin' too.

    Came up with this question: "When has anIsraeli on Israeli similar event ever occurred"?

    Still thinkin'.
     
  8. mtnwrunner

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    Joe, thanks for that link. It is now printed and in a visible place.

    Randy
     
  9. SBruce

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    Thanks for posting Jim, I'd like to add some words here too if you dont mind.

    Historically, over the years, there seem to be a fair number of us hunters who say..........That will never happen, it doesn't really affect me as a hunter anyway. They will never ban hunting guns, ect.
    Well, it's probably time we as a group realize that is not the case.

    With the looming gun and magazine ban talks/debates coming very soon and the UN treaty talks of disarmament and import/export regulations/changes, it's hard to say what is going to happen in the near future. But we can be assured; it's most likely going to mean the things we hunters and competition shooters use often will also become very hard to get here in the near future.


    Primers and Powder??

    Some might remember the Clinton era and the passage of the "Crime Bill". If you do remember, primers were nearly impossible to find on the shelves after that, and it lasted many many months, if not a couple of years. Ammo (especially for handguns) along with any kind of semi-auto was hard to find in 2009 and continued into 2010, just because of an election.

    Prices on some of the things we use ALOT have done nothing but skyrocket since 1994 and will continue to do so. As for powder, well a very large amount of it is imported.........back to the UN treaty that the NRA has been warning us about for many years. If you dont remember, powder got very tough to get for a while also after the "crime bill" was enacted.


    Speaking of imported goods, how about brass??

    How many of us hunters and competition shooters use a cartridge that uses imported brass, Lapua or Norma for example?? Some of that is already bocoming much harder to get and there haven't even been any official policy changes yet! When they start limiting or banning imports, what are we gonna do then??

    We as hunters and competitors need to be coming together and making our voices heard. All the anti-gun folks are making sure their voices are heard, you can bank on that! Even some people who have always been on the fence with gun control issues are joining the anti-gun rallies after the most recent mass murder in Connecticut. Alot of parents who have never picked a side are beginning to lean toward the other side........the side of disarmament.

    If there ever was a time to speak up for our rights and our professions, our hobbies and interests, our way of life............................now is it!
     
  10. Joe King

    Joe King Well-Known Member

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    I agree 100%
     
  11. bigbuck

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    You must mean the BIBLE ? If so It is the wisest answer that I have seen!

    Coy , I agree with most of your write up but not all.
    I didnt agree with what the writer said when he made mention of the video games and rock music.
    The video games of yesterday didnt have action heros ripping heads off and hearts out or blasting away at the cops and then speeding off. you may say what do you mean well these games have been ran through the minds of Americas children and now they are starting to come to young adult age and we are seeing the monsters that WE have created , yes mom and dad has set back and let little jimmy's brain get programmed by these violent video games and now we see the results . Parents have lost the ability to say no to their kids when they need to say NO your not watching that , your not allowed to run with the popular crowd . Just because everyone is doing it doesnt mean its right. These video games and horrer movies have taught the youth to be numb to life . The proof is in this young mans actions he killed his own mother ! Killed little precious children , teachers ,women .

    If you believe the bible at all then you can see in this verse were it warns about violent video games and movies in this short but to the point verse . If we would all ask ourselves this question " is it wicked" before we viewed it then we would be better off .

    Psalms 101 verse 3

    I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes:

    God knew that there is a danger in what we see thats why he gave us this verse but we know better than God and we want give ear to him .

    II Timothy Chapter 2 Verse 19
    Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity .

    God said depart from iniquity and rock music is iniquity !

    Todays youth (not all) but this young man was taught and I would just about bet the house he indulged on violent video games and or horror movies .

    End result he was a cold blooded killer that had no value on his mothers life, his life and the victims lifes . Neither did he have any respect for authority..

    My personal opinion is this behaviour startes at the home but could be avoided if we the parents would raise our children to fear God but we must set the example before our children . Too many christians playing church but not living church monday thru sunday on the job and off the job. I'm afraid the blame is on us. Not exactly what folks want to hear.
     
  12. Smoak352

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    Excellent post. We are congruent on the matter.

    It is unimaginable to fathom that our government can tell us not to defend our god given right to life. We only get one, I would say it is pretty important!
     
  13. SBruce

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    I am in agreement that kids today should be shielded from certain video games and movies and music.............we were as kids.
    I'm also in agreement that God should be brought back into the lives of our children.

    The real issue here that the politicians dont want to talk about is the moral fiber of people today. Where are the virtues and values, where are the morals and ethics of yesterday? Where is God?..........God has been ushered out the door in the name of political correctness!

    Since I am not politically correct, I'll say this: It's probably also time our schools become safer. No one can gaurantee that another lunatic wont attempt another mass murder. We dont want to hear about or see another Sandy Hook.

    It's time that security measures are implemented into our schools. If that means giving teachers and principals the ability to excercise their right to concealed carry, then so be it. They should be professionally trained and certified for the context of the environment and possible situations, but it should be allowed IMO. Armed proffesional security or body gaurds is another option, but that will cost tax payers more. Given a choice, I'd send my kids to an armed and trained school before sending them to an unarmed school after this most recent tragedy. This option isn't even being talked about in Washington, but it's been in place in some communities for a while now.

    Washington wants this:
    This morning, Barack Obama held a press conference confirming our greatest fears...

    He's launching an all out campaign to pass comprehensive gun control:

    1. A so-called "Assault Weapons" Ban,

    2. A "High-Capacity" Magazine Ban, and

    3. A ban on ALL Private Firearms Sales without government permission.

    And he wants the legislation on his desk as early as January.

    If you haven't signed your Second Amendment Protection Petition that Dudley sent to you below, please do so right away.
     
  14. peashooter

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    The government cannot legislate morality. A change in our moral fiber is what it takes to stop the senseless acts. They are looking for something or someone to blame besides ourselves. So the government has decided guns are the reason for the acts of violence. They believe remove the guns and the problem will be solved. The root of the problem is a loss of respect for the sanctity of life, the importance of a two parent loving environment for the rearing of children, compassion for our "neighbors", and the importance of ten simple rules and applying them to our daily lives. God bless America but more important is for America to Bless God.
     
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