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<blockquote data-quote="Firecat" data-source="post: 433071" data-attributes="member: 22600"><p>WinMag I would hope that it was not the intentions of others to call you out. I think your opinion is relevant. However, it differs greatly from my own. I too wonder about how many people hunt and if they're success or lack thereof is based on their style of hunting. My post earlier eludes to the fact that lost animals are not around to tell us what really happened. I wonder if at times the gun or in this case the caliber is to blame so that the hunter doesn't have to assume the responsibility which may likely be theirs. </p><p></p><p>I live in Southern Utah where the shots can be as far as you would ever hope them to be and within the same 15 minutes find yourself having a shot less than twenty yards away. This is the case on both deer and elk. Unfortunately As I get deeper into the long range hunting my portfolio of long range kills will increase but for now the great majority of the things that I have shot have been less than 350 yards with a tremendous amount of them under 100 yards. It's the way we hunted in our family that lent itself to these conditions. We cover miles in the trees each year hunting. Mostly making drives and pushing deer and elk to stationers. Just lately have I started to do the scouting and long range thing(Which is a blast might I add.) My dad has a 7mm Rem Mag in a Parker Hale which has been one of the most successful rifles in our family. I have watched deer literally picked up and moved by this cartridge when hit in the front shoulder. This was the motivation for my first high powered rifle being chambered in the 7mm Rem. Since the day I got mine when I turned 16 I have seen it do the same on occasion. Last year when a good friend was having some trust issues in his BAR(Caliber is not relevant but it wasn't a 7mm) I watched him use mine to shoot a muley at 180 yards with a 140 grn TSX. There were two hits. The bullet hitting the deer and the deer hitting the ground. I just have a hard time with the many different experiences that I have had with this caliber believing that it is somehow a black mark on the shooting industry or incapable of performing reliably. I currently own a 6mm Rem, 25-06 Rem, 270 win, 7mm Rem Mag, 30-06, 300 Win and several others. I do not tell you this to boast in any way. But, merely to let those know that my experience and options are not limited to one caliber that I believe to be the "Holy Grail." However I will tell you this much. Come Saturday when hunting season rolls around and I am able to fill either a buck mule deer tag or a Cow elk tag at any range from 20 to 600yards(Thats my current comfort zone) I will most likely reach past all others knowing of their potential and grab the 7 mag. I believe that my opinion on this one is unbiased as one might have. Do I believe the calibers that I mentioned above are exceptional? Absolutely or they wouldn't be in my gun cabinet. They were chosen with careful consideration and planning. If there were one of those that had ever let me down it would have been the 30-06. Sad too, ate tag soup because of it last season. That being said it could have been any list of reasons that things didn't go right. I do not believe for one moment that the 7mm caliber is job specific any more than any other caliber on the market. There is no reasonable or technical data that gives us an answer or even a hint to form this conclusion other than personal accounts. If the 7mm rem mag caliber was such a spectacular failure then why has it made RCBS's top 20 list for most dies sold? Many years it has finished far ahead of the venerable 300 win mag and 300 WSM. I understand that many of these could be sold to strictly target shooters, but i would be willing to bet that many more went to hunters. We all know that most target shooters, the serious ones anyway load with brands other than RCBS(thats another discussion for another day).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Firecat, post: 433071, member: 22600"] WinMag I would hope that it was not the intentions of others to call you out. I think your opinion is relevant. However, it differs greatly from my own. I too wonder about how many people hunt and if they're success or lack thereof is based on their style of hunting. My post earlier eludes to the fact that lost animals are not around to tell us what really happened. I wonder if at times the gun or in this case the caliber is to blame so that the hunter doesn't have to assume the responsibility which may likely be theirs. I live in Southern Utah where the shots can be as far as you would ever hope them to be and within the same 15 minutes find yourself having a shot less than twenty yards away. This is the case on both deer and elk. Unfortunately As I get deeper into the long range hunting my portfolio of long range kills will increase but for now the great majority of the things that I have shot have been less than 350 yards with a tremendous amount of them under 100 yards. It's the way we hunted in our family that lent itself to these conditions. We cover miles in the trees each year hunting. Mostly making drives and pushing deer and elk to stationers. Just lately have I started to do the scouting and long range thing(Which is a blast might I add.) My dad has a 7mm Rem Mag in a Parker Hale which has been one of the most successful rifles in our family. I have watched deer literally picked up and moved by this cartridge when hit in the front shoulder. This was the motivation for my first high powered rifle being chambered in the 7mm Rem. Since the day I got mine when I turned 16 I have seen it do the same on occasion. Last year when a good friend was having some trust issues in his BAR(Caliber is not relevant but it wasn't a 7mm) I watched him use mine to shoot a muley at 180 yards with a 140 grn TSX. There were two hits. The bullet hitting the deer and the deer hitting the ground. I just have a hard time with the many different experiences that I have had with this caliber believing that it is somehow a black mark on the shooting industry or incapable of performing reliably. I currently own a 6mm Rem, 25-06 Rem, 270 win, 7mm Rem Mag, 30-06, 300 Win and several others. I do not tell you this to boast in any way. But, merely to let those know that my experience and options are not limited to one caliber that I believe to be the "Holy Grail." However I will tell you this much. Come Saturday when hunting season rolls around and I am able to fill either a buck mule deer tag or a Cow elk tag at any range from 20 to 600yards(Thats my current comfort zone) I will most likely reach past all others knowing of their potential and grab the 7 mag. I believe that my opinion on this one is unbiased as one might have. Do I believe the calibers that I mentioned above are exceptional? Absolutely or they wouldn't be in my gun cabinet. They were chosen with careful consideration and planning. If there were one of those that had ever let me down it would have been the 30-06. Sad too, ate tag soup because of it last season. That being said it could have been any list of reasons that things didn't go right. I do not believe for one moment that the 7mm caliber is job specific any more than any other caliber on the market. There is no reasonable or technical data that gives us an answer or even a hint to form this conclusion other than personal accounts. If the 7mm rem mag caliber was such a spectacular failure then why has it made RCBS's top 20 list for most dies sold? Many years it has finished far ahead of the venerable 300 win mag and 300 WSM. I understand that many of these could be sold to strictly target shooters, but i would be willing to bet that many more went to hunters. We all know that most target shooters, the serious ones anyway load with brands other than RCBS(thats another discussion for another day). [/QUOTE]
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