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<blockquote data-quote="winmag" data-source="post: 433047" data-attributes="member: 22166"><p>Derek M, Varminator 1911, and others,</p><p>Are you basing your claims on years of whitetail experience only, or have you also came out here and killed big critters like elk, at multiple ranges too. How many times have you hunted out west where your up in the mountains on foot?</p><p>I did not want to bring this up before, cause I dont want to offend anyone or thier particular hunting style, but after reading alot of these recent posts, I cant help but wonder. How many of you are basing your like of the 7mm soely on killing deer at long range from a box or tree, overlooking a sendero, foodplot, or beanfield, or canyon, where you have had hours to range everything in site, and have a pre determined idea where your optimal shot will be?</p><p><strong><em><u>The 7mm is a "job specific" caliber if you want it to shine.</u></em></strong> End of story. <strong><em><u>It has its niche as an accurate longrange cartrige. And It serves its purpose well for some folks.</u></em></strong> If thats your hunting style, and thats what you are banking your opinion on, I will not argue with you.</p><p>A 7mm can and has worked on any north American game animals, but there are much better options for allround/all range/ all critter hunting the way alot of us out here do. We, (the majority of the hunters I know) public land DIY hunters are hunting huge amounts of mountainous terrain covering many miles on foot, hunting, where an animal can present a shot at CLOSE or LONG range, in timber to sagebrush, to wide open meadows, at any time. A job specific caliber such as the 7mm just doesnt cut it for many of us "allround/all range/all critter hunters for a very REAL reason. It simply is not optimal for the task at hand, for 1, and has a poor track record when asked to be an allround/all range/all critter caliber for 2.</p><p>The origional question was for a youngsters first rifle, (allround big game rifle is how I understood it) and it asked about the validity of the 7mm's earned reputation as a questionable performer in some cases.</p><p>Theres a definate reason why this "RUMOR" of a "COUPLE INSTANCES---HA!" Have been, "Blown out of perportion" (ya I liked that one...) as some of you so belive.</p><p>But questioning real life experience with a specifically NOTORIOUS caliber for failing on big game when relied on as an allround rifle for any senario is rediculous and you have absolutely no ground to stand on implying that we are lying or dont know what were talking about, or saying we are taking a couple instances and blowing them out of perportion. That is just showing your ignorance of real life truths, and experiences, weather its happened to you specifically or not.</p><p>Be careful who you imply is a lier, or who is just blowing things out of perportion, because it only proves one thing. You blow too much smoke without wory of being credible, or considering the credibility of others.</p><p>I cant spell it out any more plain than I have in previous posts. The 7mm <em><u>can </u></em>shine, and has a niche as a L/R job specific caliber, and as a result has a large following for a reason. For shorter ranges the underpowered 7mm-08 is just not optimal compared to others, and for dedicated realy long range on anything that walks, the 338 absolutely trumps any 7mm offering hands down.</p><p>But again, I sincerely hope that all of you 7mm fans continue to have success in the future, no matter what your hunting style, or game may be. But realize also the 7mm has its fair share of non belivers too for a very REAL reasons. The 7mm will not ALWAYS fail, but has failed more often than most common hunting calibers I know of, or we wouldnt even have this thread. Not just "rumors, or a select few instances blown out of peroprtion". Maybe we have differing hunting styles, and or game hunted, or even opinions on effectiveness of calibers on game, but wow....</p><p>Try to think before you type next time please. I find it quite insulting to be made out to be a liar, or have my credibility questioned, let alone that of other respected shooters like Bigngreen as well. He can take care of himself, but Im a bit confused here as to where you get off implying that.</p><p>Im no keyboard comando, or cyber ninja, or troll, and I dont stir the pot on purpose, nor do I try to blatently imply that someone is blowing something out of perportion, without first having proof someone is full of it. Maybe you could give that a try as well, and we can sweep it under the rug and agree to disagree for our own reasons, and experiences.</p><p>Im not here to make enimies, or insult anyone, or make folks upset. Im here to better myself as an ever extending range hunter and shooter, and to learn. I share experiences with some others so they can learn from my shortcommings, or experiences as well. </p><p>Opinions can, and do differ, and I can live with that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="winmag, post: 433047, member: 22166"] Derek M, Varminator 1911, and others, Are you basing your claims on years of whitetail experience only, or have you also came out here and killed big critters like elk, at multiple ranges too. How many times have you hunted out west where your up in the mountains on foot? I did not want to bring this up before, cause I dont want to offend anyone or thier particular hunting style, but after reading alot of these recent posts, I cant help but wonder. How many of you are basing your like of the 7mm soely on killing deer at long range from a box or tree, overlooking a sendero, foodplot, or beanfield, or canyon, where you have had hours to range everything in site, and have a pre determined idea where your optimal shot will be? [B][I][U]The 7mm is a "job specific" caliber if you want it to shine.[/U][/I][/B] End of story. [B][I][U]It has its niche as an accurate longrange cartrige. And It serves its purpose well for some folks.[/U][/I][/B] If thats your hunting style, and thats what you are banking your opinion on, I will not argue with you. A 7mm can and has worked on any north American game animals, but there are much better options for allround/all range/ all critter hunting the way alot of us out here do. We, (the majority of the hunters I know) public land DIY hunters are hunting huge amounts of mountainous terrain covering many miles on foot, hunting, where an animal can present a shot at CLOSE or LONG range, in timber to sagebrush, to wide open meadows, at any time. A job specific caliber such as the 7mm just doesnt cut it for many of us "allround/all range/all critter hunters for a very REAL reason. It simply is not optimal for the task at hand, for 1, and has a poor track record when asked to be an allround/all range/all critter caliber for 2. The origional question was for a youngsters first rifle, (allround big game rifle is how I understood it) and it asked about the validity of the 7mm's earned reputation as a questionable performer in some cases. Theres a definate reason why this "RUMOR" of a "COUPLE INSTANCES---HA!" Have been, "Blown out of perportion" (ya I liked that one...) as some of you so belive. But questioning real life experience with a specifically NOTORIOUS caliber for failing on big game when relied on as an allround rifle for any senario is rediculous and you have absolutely no ground to stand on implying that we are lying or dont know what were talking about, or saying we are taking a couple instances and blowing them out of perportion. That is just showing your ignorance of real life truths, and experiences, weather its happened to you specifically or not. Be careful who you imply is a lier, or who is just blowing things out of perportion, because it only proves one thing. You blow too much smoke without wory of being credible, or considering the credibility of others. I cant spell it out any more plain than I have in previous posts. The 7mm [I][U]can [/U][/I]shine, and has a niche as a L/R job specific caliber, and as a result has a large following for a reason. For shorter ranges the underpowered 7mm-08 is just not optimal compared to others, and for dedicated realy long range on anything that walks, the 338 absolutely trumps any 7mm offering hands down. But again, I sincerely hope that all of you 7mm fans continue to have success in the future, no matter what your hunting style, or game may be. But realize also the 7mm has its fair share of non belivers too for a very REAL reasons. The 7mm will not ALWAYS fail, but has failed more often than most common hunting calibers I know of, or we wouldnt even have this thread. Not just "rumors, or a select few instances blown out of peroprtion". Maybe we have differing hunting styles, and or game hunted, or even opinions on effectiveness of calibers on game, but wow.... Try to think before you type next time please. I find it quite insulting to be made out to be a liar, or have my credibility questioned, let alone that of other respected shooters like Bigngreen as well. He can take care of himself, but Im a bit confused here as to where you get off implying that. Im no keyboard comando, or cyber ninja, or troll, and I dont stir the pot on purpose, nor do I try to blatently imply that someone is blowing something out of perportion, without first having proof someone is full of it. Maybe you could give that a try as well, and we can sweep it under the rug and agree to disagree for our own reasons, and experiences. Im not here to make enimies, or insult anyone, or make folks upset. Im here to better myself as an ever extending range hunter and shooter, and to learn. I share experiences with some others so they can learn from my shortcommings, or experiences as well. Opinions can, and do differ, and I can live with that. [/QUOTE]
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