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<blockquote data-quote="NZ Longranger" data-source="post: 433036" data-attributes="member: 14"><p>Man, I haven't had such a laugh on this forum in a long time!!!! There's a few posts on here from guys who must be in the flat earth society! </p><p>Out here in NZ, we have no seasons or limits, and hunt big game all year round. We have 7 different deer species ranging from Whitetail up to Elk, and plenty in between. A good hunter in NZ will kill 1000's of deer in his lifetime, which gives us an edge when it comes to field experience. </p><p>Bullet construction, impact velocity, target animal size and bullet placement will determine how quickly an animal dies, but if all these things are equal, bigger is always better when it comes to quick killing. Of course recoil and rifle weight mean you can't use a big 338 for everything - a 7 lb all up walkabout rifle in the 338/408 wildcats would be unshootable, let alone trying to start your kid off with one! So this is where the smaller calibers come into their own. And a really good combination of bullet weight, velocity, BC and recoil is as easy if not easier to find in 7mm than any other caliber for the average sort of application on deer sized game. Would I use a 7mm on a Grizzly or a moose? Not if I had something bigger to use, but on deer sized game in an all round walkabout rifle that might get used from point blank to way out there, I'd choose a 7mm over all others.</p><p></p><p>I have shot and seen shot tens of thousands of deer sized game animals with every caliber you can imagine from the 17HMR up to the 416 Rigby. I've seen balls ups with every caliber, mostly due to bad placement, or a bad choice of bullet for the job. But with the right choice of bullet and cartridge capacity for the job, I've seen the various 7mm's kill 'em as quick if not quicker than anything bar the big 338's. To suggest all else being equal the 270 kills things better than the 7mm's is downright hilarious, and the smaller calibres even more so! We wouldn't want to let scientific fact get in the road of a good story would we boys!</p><p>Scot, if you get fooled into believing any of this anti 7mm hocus pocus, you too better join the flat earth society!!! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p>Yours in amusement,</p><p>Greg</p><p>Ps Scot, I'm sure you won't get fooled, and back to original question, the 7mm/08 makes a great deer cartridge for a kid. Load up something like the 120gn TTSX's and drive them at 3100fps plus, and you'll have a giant killer that shoots flat with minimal recoil. Even better out here where we can stick a suppressor on them, then you've got less recoil and no muzzle blast, and the kids just love shootin' them. As Stu said way back in this thread, the 7mm/08 is the most popular deer cartridge in NZ for a reason. There are better 7mm's for longer range, but out to 300 yards, man they do the job with so little fuss!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NZ Longranger, post: 433036, member: 14"] Man, I haven't had such a laugh on this forum in a long time!!!! There's a few posts on here from guys who must be in the flat earth society! Out here in NZ, we have no seasons or limits, and hunt big game all year round. We have 7 different deer species ranging from Whitetail up to Elk, and plenty in between. A good hunter in NZ will kill 1000's of deer in his lifetime, which gives us an edge when it comes to field experience. Bullet construction, impact velocity, target animal size and bullet placement will determine how quickly an animal dies, but if all these things are equal, bigger is always better when it comes to quick killing. Of course recoil and rifle weight mean you can't use a big 338 for everything - a 7 lb all up walkabout rifle in the 338/408 wildcats would be unshootable, let alone trying to start your kid off with one! So this is where the smaller calibers come into their own. And a really good combination of bullet weight, velocity, BC and recoil is as easy if not easier to find in 7mm than any other caliber for the average sort of application on deer sized game. Would I use a 7mm on a Grizzly or a moose? Not if I had something bigger to use, but on deer sized game in an all round walkabout rifle that might get used from point blank to way out there, I'd choose a 7mm over all others. I have shot and seen shot tens of thousands of deer sized game animals with every caliber you can imagine from the 17HMR up to the 416 Rigby. I've seen balls ups with every caliber, mostly due to bad placement, or a bad choice of bullet for the job. But with the right choice of bullet and cartridge capacity for the job, I've seen the various 7mm's kill 'em as quick if not quicker than anything bar the big 338's. To suggest all else being equal the 270 kills things better than the 7mm's is downright hilarious, and the smaller calibres even more so! We wouldn't want to let scientific fact get in the road of a good story would we boys! Scot, if you get fooled into believing any of this anti 7mm hocus pocus, you too better join the flat earth society!!! :D:D:D:D Yours in amusement, Greg Ps Scot, I'm sure you won't get fooled, and back to original question, the 7mm/08 makes a great deer cartridge for a kid. Load up something like the 120gn TTSX's and drive them at 3100fps plus, and you'll have a giant killer that shoots flat with minimal recoil. Even better out here where we can stick a suppressor on them, then you've got less recoil and no muzzle blast, and the kids just love shootin' them. As Stu said way back in this thread, the 7mm/08 is the most popular deer cartridge in NZ for a reason. There are better 7mm's for longer range, but out to 300 yards, man they do the job with so little fuss! [/QUOTE]
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