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7mm Terminal Performance Issues? True or False?
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<blockquote data-quote="bigngreen" data-source="post: 432909" data-attributes="member: 13632"><p>For a youngster I would start them out with a 243 over anything out there, low recoil, very good effective bullet selection for any game and flat shooting so it is more forgiving for a younger shooter, keep up inside 300yrds on elk and your GTG. Take the 7mm-08 and you really have a hard time keeping any of the good, heavy bullets inside there effective functional speed and you get more recoil. If you shoot a 140gr bullet a 270 will smoke it. I would however choose a 7mm-08 over any other 7mm for deer just because of the blow up factor.</p><p></p><p>I really wish I would have keep track of my polling numbers when I ran the meat shop, I got to see 1500+ head of deer, elk and antelope and take them apart. This alone is enough for me to never shoot a 7mm, if I would have kept track of it I would have had solid data to back it up with. I will say that, ya there is a difference in how a 277 or a 30 cal bullet reacts, all bullets have a little thinner or thicker construction by cal and you have a shank length to nose ratio and frontal area differences, I do not know what it is but there is something. </p><p></p><p>I get to see or help with killing anywhere from 30-75 elk a year and about half that in deer and every year I have deal with elk shot with a 7mm, I get in on a lot of elk killing and cutting, more than average and my favorite rifle to see guys shoot are 243's, 270's, 30-06, 300 mag and large 338's not to include 338win mag. I do have a soft place for 270's but for the most part I like what saves me work and kills elk. </p><p>Out of all the guys I know who have killed 30+elk there is not a single 7mm in the lot, that says a lot to me, 98% of these guys have no concern about ballistics or BC but they know what kills animals with the least amount of meat damage, old school guys!! Now I understand that there are a lot of guys who have zero problems with a 7mm and I say ROCK ON, after 20-30 elk you start to know your gun and you GTG, same with deer after a couple truck loads you know your gun and it's limits no problems!</p><p></p><p>Shot placement will all way be #1 no mater what the rifle, I say let a kids start shooting with what THEY like and shoot the best, even if it is a 7mm, make it their gun and make it so they love shoot in that rifle and are bugging you to go shoot it and they will put the smack down on game so the old man can take pics!!! gun)</p><p></p><p>This thread could be epic <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bigngreen, post: 432909, member: 13632"] For a youngster I would start them out with a 243 over anything out there, low recoil, very good effective bullet selection for any game and flat shooting so it is more forgiving for a younger shooter, keep up inside 300yrds on elk and your GTG. Take the 7mm-08 and you really have a hard time keeping any of the good, heavy bullets inside there effective functional speed and you get more recoil. If you shoot a 140gr bullet a 270 will smoke it. I would however choose a 7mm-08 over any other 7mm for deer just because of the blow up factor. I really wish I would have keep track of my polling numbers when I ran the meat shop, I got to see 1500+ head of deer, elk and antelope and take them apart. This alone is enough for me to never shoot a 7mm, if I would have kept track of it I would have had solid data to back it up with. I will say that, ya there is a difference in how a 277 or a 30 cal bullet reacts, all bullets have a little thinner or thicker construction by cal and you have a shank length to nose ratio and frontal area differences, I do not know what it is but there is something. I get to see or help with killing anywhere from 30-75 elk a year and about half that in deer and every year I have deal with elk shot with a 7mm, I get in on a lot of elk killing and cutting, more than average and my favorite rifle to see guys shoot are 243's, 270's, 30-06, 300 mag and large 338's not to include 338win mag. I do have a soft place for 270's but for the most part I like what saves me work and kills elk. Out of all the guys I know who have killed 30+elk there is not a single 7mm in the lot, that says a lot to me, 98% of these guys have no concern about ballistics or BC but they know what kills animals with the least amount of meat damage, old school guys!! Now I understand that there are a lot of guys who have zero problems with a 7mm and I say ROCK ON, after 20-30 elk you start to know your gun and you GTG, same with deer after a couple truck loads you know your gun and it's limits no problems! Shot placement will all way be #1 no mater what the rifle, I say let a kids start shooting with what THEY like and shoot the best, even if it is a 7mm, make it their gun and make it so they love shoot in that rifle and are bugging you to go shoot it and they will put the smack down on game so the old man can take pics!!! gun) This thread could be epic :D [/QUOTE]
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