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7MM Rem Mag vs 6.5 CM at 600 yards on cow elk
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<blockquote data-quote="Chase723" data-source="post: 2333349" data-attributes="member: 21524"><p>Personally, in 6.5/.264 caliber I don't think the ELD-X is a good hunting bullet, especially for long range. Some peoples experience are definitely different, but that's just me. The alloy seems to be too hard for it to expand/transfer energy/create large wound channels etc and at distance death isn't emphatic. I've seen that a few times even with whitetail deer. </p><p></p><p>At autopsy, where did you hit the 1st elk? Did you hit heart/lungs/major blood vessels? </p><p></p><p>My guess is that the 2nd elk you shot you hit in the brisket. Heart shot animals or animals shot through the lungs that have a sucking chest wound or pneumo/hemothorax typically don't go more than 400 yards at best, even elk. Pure muscle wounding can produce what appears to be significant bleeding but ultimately they travel farther than most people are able to track. </p><p></p><p>While 600 yards is pushing it a little with the 6.5 Creed, I think your experience would have been different if you were using something like a Berger, ELD-M, or a Hammer. You want something that is going to either penetrate 3-4"and then grenade in the chest +/- around the spine (if you shoot high shoulder) or does similar but also has a high likehood of pass through. You want to take their effective lung capacity or cardiac output to 0 as fast possible, but design and terminal effect on target have a lot to do with that specifically. Because of that 6.5 Creed with the 143 ELDX in particular isn't ideal for what you were trying to accomplish. That's just me. </p><p></p><p>While this topic always gets lots of opinions (which I'm sure you're beginning to appreciate), this topic has been pretty handily discussed on here a lot.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chase723, post: 2333349, member: 21524"] Personally, in 6.5/.264 caliber I don’t think the ELD-X is a good hunting bullet, especially for long range. Some peoples experience are definitely different, but that’s just me. The alloy seems to be too hard for it to expand/transfer energy/create large wound channels etc and at distance death isn’t emphatic. I’ve seen that a few times even with whitetail deer. At autopsy, where did you hit the 1st elk? Did you hit heart/lungs/major blood vessels? My guess is that the 2nd elk you shot you hit in the brisket. Heart shot animals or animals shot through the lungs that have a sucking chest wound or pneumo/hemothorax typically don’t go more than 400 yards at best, even elk. Pure muscle wounding can produce what appears to be significant bleeding but ultimately they travel farther than most people are able to track. While 600 yards is pushing it a little with the 6.5 Creed, I think your experience would have been different if you were using something like a Berger, ELD-M, or a Hammer. You want something that is going to either penetrate 3-4”and then grenade in the chest +/- around the spine (if you shoot high shoulder) or does similar but also has a high likehood of pass through. You want to take their effective lung capacity or cardiac output to 0 as fast possible, but design and terminal effect on target have a lot to do with that specifically. Because of that 6.5 Creed with the 143 ELDX in particular isn’t ideal for what you were trying to accomplish. That’s just me. While this topic always gets lots of opinions (which I’m sure you’re beginning to appreciate), this topic has been pretty handily discussed on here a lot. [/QUOTE]
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