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7mm/08 AI vs 7mm RUM
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<blockquote data-quote="James Jones" data-source="post: 158308" data-attributes="member: 8843"><p>first off if I walk up to a bull elk with my 45 ACP and shoot him in the ribs point blank the bullet is going to kill him no doubt right? that less than 500 lbs of KE. Now if I shoot him with a 200gr Speer Gold Dot as opposed to a 230gr FMJ ball round he is still gonna die but the rapid expansion of the Gold Dot will cause more internal damage and he will most likely die a good bit faster.</p><p></p><p>The same goes for rifle rounds I firmly believe that more stress should be put on the bullet performance on game and shot placement than shear power. I have seen more deer "knocked down" with a 243 than a 7mm Rem mag simply because the bullet in the 7mm was desgined to shoot big game like elk and moose so the bullet hit the small 125lb class deer and simple zipped through not expanding much but the deer shot with the 243 if not dropped in their track they diden't go very far because the bullets used expanded and caused massive internal damage.</p><p></p><p>Now from what I have heard the 168gr 7mm Berger is a fast expanding bullet that does its job very well , and at 1000yds assuming that is does expand fast even at those velocites I would say that a deer would never know the differance , if anything the extra velocity of the RUM would make it penitrate less because it would expand faster so which one would kill better? , its a toss up.</p><p></p><p>Like it was mentioned though the less time the bullet is in the air the less chance the wind has to move it around and the less critical your yardage guestimation and wind doping skills have to be.</p><p></p><p>If I were a guid I much rather see a guy show up with a 7-08 that he shoot well cause hes not scared of it that a guy thats shooting the latest greatest super mag that he scared of</p><p>the 7-08 will kill deer at 1000yds , it will kick less have longer barrel life cost less to shoot and help to improve your shooting skills and apperciate the LR shooting skills more than a super flat shooting magnum.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="James Jones, post: 158308, member: 8843"] first off if I walk up to a bull elk with my 45 ACP and shoot him in the ribs point blank the bullet is going to kill him no doubt right? that less than 500 lbs of KE. Now if I shoot him with a 200gr Speer Gold Dot as opposed to a 230gr FMJ ball round he is still gonna die but the rapid expansion of the Gold Dot will cause more internal damage and he will most likely die a good bit faster. The same goes for rifle rounds I firmly believe that more stress should be put on the bullet performance on game and shot placement than shear power. I have seen more deer "knocked down" with a 243 than a 7mm Rem mag simply because the bullet in the 7mm was desgined to shoot big game like elk and moose so the bullet hit the small 125lb class deer and simple zipped through not expanding much but the deer shot with the 243 if not dropped in their track they diden't go very far because the bullets used expanded and caused massive internal damage. Now from what I have heard the 168gr 7mm Berger is a fast expanding bullet that does its job very well , and at 1000yds assuming that is does expand fast even at those velocites I would say that a deer would never know the differance , if anything the extra velocity of the RUM would make it penitrate less because it would expand faster so which one would kill better? , its a toss up. Like it was mentioned though the less time the bullet is in the air the less chance the wind has to move it around and the less critical your yardage guestimation and wind doping skills have to be. If I were a guid I much rather see a guy show up with a 7-08 that he shoot well cause hes not scared of it that a guy thats shooting the latest greatest super mag that he scared of the 7-08 will kill deer at 1000yds , it will kick less have longer barrel life cost less to shoot and help to improve your shooting skills and apperciate the LR shooting skills more than a super flat shooting magnum. [/QUOTE]
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