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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shooter264" data-source="post: 2376551" data-attributes="member: 23746">Yes that's what I used. Built a dummy and went a little at a time until I got desired touch. The 180 hybrid seems like a great all around bullet to throat for. Still works great w 175's and 180 vlds. Not sure you'd see any advantage running the 190's over the 180's unless you just have a ton of them. Here is a before and after.. I didn't measure coal after throating but you can get good idea from OAL before throating and the comp (cbto) measurements after to get an OAL for all the bullets I found touch for [ATTACH=full]322799[/ATTACH]</blockquote>