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6.5mm bullets for ELR
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<blockquote data-quote="M67" data-source="post: 873250" data-attributes="member: 26259"><p>At close range i have tried Berger 130 and 140s, Amax, Sierra 140, 142, 144, 8g Scenar, and Norma GTs, and Nosler CCs. </p><p> </p><p>Currently i am conducting a test to see how these bullets behave at 500 and 1000m. I seems to me, at 500m, any bullet that will group in your rifle is good ****. 10% BC cannot ever trump 10% better accuracy, or more. All tested 130-144gr 6.5 bullets group 10 shots inside 150mm from my rifle, at</p><p>500m.</p><p> </p><p>Anyway, the whole thing was spurred by variuos shooters "losing" 130GTs on their way to 1km, and i have seen several shooters tear out hair over the 1000m performance of 8g Scenar factory ammo - I was lobbing my 770m/s Krag loads with 139 Scenars inside a third of the group size a couple of fellas managed with the 130GT, @ 1km, and that travelling at 920m/s too.</p><p> </p><p>These are "old" bullets, and OK, they migth not work out there - but the brand new 136 Scenar-L. To be unstable at LR?</p><p> </p><p>The rifle i shoot is a Sauer 200STR, it has a 700mm barrel with a 1:220mm twist, 1:8.66".</p><p><img src="http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w560/kristerE/Skyting%20Hodne/5D1B93FD-A144-4AC2-AADC-92CD4D6C8340-3670-000006560A1A304A_zps4d8403e3.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p> </p><p>Actually i shoot three of them. One the LR-piece shown over, a wood stocked, diopter equipped one for the Norwegian version of highpower, and a similar one with a .22LR conversion kit.</p><p><img src="http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c137/Ken1931/200STR/IMG_5301.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p> </p><p>A digression, grossly off topic, but the modular nature of the 200STR allows you to make a rather sexy 22-rifle i you want to.</p><p><img src="http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c137/Ken1931/200STR/IMG_6655.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p> </p><p>Basically there are two possible reasons for what i see. Stability issues, and good old poor shooting. It is very difficult to dismiss a bullet on the basis of a few shots. Just hoping otheres have some experience with this bullet.</p><p>The american bullets, except Amax and the 140 Sierra, are far more expensive than the Scenars and the GT. Typically a Berger bullet will cost more than twice as much as a Scenar - if it can even be had... and then in small amounts, and the next time the vendor will have another of Bergers creations... Lapuas are the same, always, always in stock, and only Nosler CCs are cheaper, and they dont group as well.</p><p>With the 136 Scenar i found a bullet that groups as well as the Bergers - just damned it wont shoot at long range.</p><p> </p><p>K</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="M67, post: 873250, member: 26259"] At close range i have tried Berger 130 and 140s, Amax, Sierra 140, 142, 144, 8g Scenar, and Norma GTs, and Nosler CCs. Currently i am conducting a test to see how these bullets behave at 500 and 1000m. I seems to me, at 500m, any bullet that will group in your rifle is good ****. 10% BC cannot ever trump 10% better accuracy, or more. All tested 130-144gr 6.5 bullets group 10 shots inside 150mm from my rifle, at 500m. Anyway, the whole thing was spurred by variuos shooters "losing" 130GTs on their way to 1km, and i have seen several shooters tear out hair over the 1000m performance of 8g Scenar factory ammo - I was lobbing my 770m/s Krag loads with 139 Scenars inside a third of the group size a couple of fellas managed with the 130GT, @ 1km, and that travelling at 920m/s too. These are "old" bullets, and OK, they migth not work out there - but the brand new 136 Scenar-L. To be unstable at LR? The rifle i shoot is a Sauer 200STR, it has a 700mm barrel with a 1:220mm twist, 1:8.66". [IMG]http://i1329.photobucket.com/albums/w560/kristerE/Skyting%20Hodne/5D1B93FD-A144-4AC2-AADC-92CD4D6C8340-3670-000006560A1A304A_zps4d8403e3.jpg[/IMG] Actually i shoot three of them. One the LR-piece shown over, a wood stocked, diopter equipped one for the Norwegian version of highpower, and a similar one with a .22LR conversion kit. [IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c137/Ken1931/200STR/IMG_5301.jpg[/IMG] A digression, grossly off topic, but the modular nature of the 200STR allows you to make a rather sexy 22-rifle i you want to. [IMG]http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c137/Ken1931/200STR/IMG_6655.jpg[/IMG] Basically there are two possible reasons for what i see. Stability issues, and good old poor shooting. It is very difficult to dismiss a bullet on the basis of a few shots. Just hoping otheres have some experience with this bullet. The american bullets, except Amax and the 140 Sierra, are far more expensive than the Scenars and the GT. Typically a Berger bullet will cost more than twice as much as a Scenar - if it can even be had... and then in small amounts, and the next time the vendor will have another of Bergers creations... Lapuas are the same, always, always in stock, and only Nosler CCs are cheaper, and they dont group as well. With the 136 Scenar i found a bullet that groups as well as the Bergers - just damned it wont shoot at long range. K [/QUOTE]
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