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6.5 Creedmoor or 25-06 for Deer
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<blockquote data-quote="HARPERC" data-source="post: 1391097" data-attributes="member: 30671"><p>Too late,<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite10" alt=":oops:" title="Oops! :oops:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":oops:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You've weighed in on too many similar threads for this to be true, the doesn't matter part anyway<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite5" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":confused:" /></p><p></p><p>The original question is pretty easy for me, pick a rifle that meets your particular needs, as there isn't that much difference in capability when talking a general hunting rifle.</p><p></p><p>As far as "typical" rifles the 6.5 has the advantage of being descended from an era in which heavy for caliber bullets were the way to go. A good video from Zen Archery recently is a good example of how old school still works for normal use. No range mentioned that I recall, but the 160 grain Hornady still works, I believe it's still a round nose. Good video in the hog hunting section. Even my .375 H&H using 248 Hammer's (Steve called it a ballistic pig) got reliable hits on my steel squirrel at 275 yards.</p><p></p><p>In the context of Long Range Hunting/ Shooting, when case capacities are similar the typical twist rates, and subsequently the bullets generally available, favor the 6.5.</p><p></p><p>In the context of "wild hare" projects where the bullet and barrel don't exist yet, why choose a 6.5 over a .257, can be a little more of a Goldilocks decision on which is "just right" or for that matter a 7mm, .30 and on. It will be interesting to see the ELR results from the upcoming shoot what the choices were, and how it plays out. As well as bullet type I think we'll see "turned" bullets at the front of the pack, and nobody concerned with magazine length..</p><p></p><p>For me, the factors in how I would use such a rifle is eliminating what I don't need. I don't need a 30-50 lb ELR rifle-16 lbs is about all I can lug around. I won't hunt big game with it. 160 grains in a 16 lbs rifle with break should be very shootable. Taking big game off the table, simplifies bullet construction to what shoots, and what don't. This is not to say Steve won't come up with something very usable, for hunting, or that the current Hammer's in 137, or 139 wouldn't wreak havoc on soft tissue. No Tactical Matches, no magazine worries.</p><p></p><p>Barrel life-only means if I don't like it, I can change it sooner. Maybe something milder like a 6.5X65R in my #1, or bigger like a Lapua Improved, on a beefy custom action with no magazine cut. No different than, buying, or trading every couple months really.</p><p></p><p>What it might get used for: Dynamite shoot, 2 shots and back in line, rock chucks-periodic cold bore shots through the day, long range coyote (might have access to a dump from a small hog processing outfit). A slow rate of fire anyway.</p><p></p><p>If you want to rock the .257 world, call Steve, and get the ball rolling on a bullet that brings it into the current era, cause you're only falling further behind!<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HARPERC, post: 1391097, member: 30671"] Too late,:oops: You've weighed in on too many similar threads for this to be true, the doesn't matter part anyway:confused: The original question is pretty easy for me, pick a rifle that meets your particular needs, as there isn't that much difference in capability when talking a general hunting rifle. As far as "typical" rifles the 6.5 has the advantage of being descended from an era in which heavy for caliber bullets were the way to go. A good video from Zen Archery recently is a good example of how old school still works for normal use. No range mentioned that I recall, but the 160 grain Hornady still works, I believe it's still a round nose. Good video in the hog hunting section. Even my .375 H&H using 248 Hammer's (Steve called it a ballistic pig) got reliable hits on my steel squirrel at 275 yards. In the context of Long Range Hunting/ Shooting, when case capacities are similar the typical twist rates, and subsequently the bullets generally available, favor the 6.5. In the context of "wild hare" projects where the bullet and barrel don't exist yet, why choose a 6.5 over a .257, can be a little more of a Goldilocks decision on which is "just right" or for that matter a 7mm, .30 and on. It will be interesting to see the ELR results from the upcoming shoot what the choices were, and how it plays out. As well as bullet type I think we'll see "turned" bullets at the front of the pack, and nobody concerned with magazine length.. For me, the factors in how I would use such a rifle is eliminating what I don't need. I don't need a 30-50 lb ELR rifle-16 lbs is about all I can lug around. I won't hunt big game with it. 160 grains in a 16 lbs rifle with break should be very shootable. Taking big game off the table, simplifies bullet construction to what shoots, and what don't. This is not to say Steve won't come up with something very usable, for hunting, or that the current Hammer's in 137, or 139 wouldn't wreak havoc on soft tissue. No Tactical Matches, no magazine worries. Barrel life-only means if I don't like it, I can change it sooner. Maybe something milder like a 6.5X65R in my #1, or bigger like a Lapua Improved, on a beefy custom action with no magazine cut. No different than, buying, or trading every couple months really. What it might get used for: Dynamite shoot, 2 shots and back in line, rock chucks-periodic cold bore shots through the day, long range coyote (might have access to a dump from a small hog processing outfit). A slow rate of fire anyway. If you want to rock the .257 world, call Steve, and get the ball rolling on a bullet that brings it into the current era, cause you're only falling further behind!;):p [/QUOTE]
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