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<blockquote data-quote="hypersonic" data-source="post: 241633" data-attributes="member: 5217"><p>Absosmurfly no hostility on my end. And like I stated in my first post the only numbers I have seen are what has been published by Hornady in advertisements in shooting mags. The fine print with a * denotes figures taken from a 28" barrel. Now being an owner of a .260 and also being an owner of a cronograph and shooting both 120 and 140 grain bullets from a 22" barrel and having velocity numbers very close to published numbers for the Creedmore I would have to say I might just have a slight idea of what I am talking about whit real world data with the .260 Rem.</p><p></p><p> I can't for the life of me see where I was negative in posting my real world experence with the 260 Rem versus what I have seen so far for the Creedmore with published numbers. Put a 28" tube on a 260 rem and stoke it with a slower burning powder like IMR-7828 or H-1000 ( which by the way work very well in a 22" barrel) and you have a whole different animal. What you have to understand is that the Creedmore is purpose built for the target shooting crowd for out to about 600 yards or so. The 260 rem was brought around from the 6.5-308 for the hunting crowd the 6.5-308 was a wildcat for long range stuff and does hold it's own out to 1000 yards with the likes of the 300 win mag.</p><p></p><p> </p><p> Nice looking has pretty much nothing to to do with real world performance and in a comparison with case volumes and the same barrel length ( random thought off the top of my head) the Creedmore is behind the 260 when the optimum powder burn rates are chosen for both. If both use the same burn rate powder say H-4350 for example the difference will be less but will still advantage the 260 Rem due to more case capacity.</p><p></p><p> And not to be short, abrupt or rude on my end but you should avail yourself to getting one of said cartridges in a rifle and shoot it and decide for yourself if it has merit. Reminds me of the 270/280 debate that has been going on for about 50 years or so. Both are similar both have a following. I have had both and I chose the 280 over the 270. Well it was not to be different I will tell you that. 7MM offered more choice in high BC bullets and provided better ballistics with slow powders over the 270 ( though things are changing for high BC .277 bullets) I won't offer my personal opinion on the 280 but needless to say it has performed better for me than a .270 hence no 270's round here.</p><p></p><p></p><p> I have no desire to see the Creed killed that would be a back step at a time when we as hunters and shooters are on soft ground as it is. The more choices we have the better but in the same token we also must have all the information we can get either good or bad to make a decision on what cartridge will fill our requirements best.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hypersonic, post: 241633, member: 5217"] Absosmurfly no hostility on my end. And like I stated in my first post the only numbers I have seen are what has been published by Hornady in advertisements in shooting mags. The fine print with a * denotes figures taken from a 28" barrel. Now being an owner of a .260 and also being an owner of a cronograph and shooting both 120 and 140 grain bullets from a 22" barrel and having velocity numbers very close to published numbers for the Creedmore I would have to say I might just have a slight idea of what I am talking about whit real world data with the .260 Rem. I can't for the life of me see where I was negative in posting my real world experence with the 260 Rem versus what I have seen so far for the Creedmore with published numbers. Put a 28" tube on a 260 rem and stoke it with a slower burning powder like IMR-7828 or H-1000 ( which by the way work very well in a 22" barrel) and you have a whole different animal. What you have to understand is that the Creedmore is purpose built for the target shooting crowd for out to about 600 yards or so. The 260 rem was brought around from the 6.5-308 for the hunting crowd the 6.5-308 was a wildcat for long range stuff and does hold it's own out to 1000 yards with the likes of the 300 win mag. Nice looking has pretty much nothing to to do with real world performance and in a comparison with case volumes and the same barrel length ( random thought off the top of my head) the Creedmore is behind the 260 when the optimum powder burn rates are chosen for both. If both use the same burn rate powder say H-4350 for example the difference will be less but will still advantage the 260 Rem due to more case capacity. And not to be short, abrupt or rude on my end but you should avail yourself to getting one of said cartridges in a rifle and shoot it and decide for yourself if it has merit. Reminds me of the 270/280 debate that has been going on for about 50 years or so. Both are similar both have a following. I have had both and I chose the 280 over the 270. Well it was not to be different I will tell you that. 7MM offered more choice in high BC bullets and provided better ballistics with slow powders over the 270 ( though things are changing for high BC .277 bullets) I won't offer my personal opinion on the 280 but needless to say it has performed better for me than a .270 hence no 270's round here. I have no desire to see the Creed killed that would be a back step at a time when we as hunters and shooters are on soft ground as it is. The more choices we have the better but in the same token we also must have all the information we can get either good or bad to make a decision on what cartridge will fill our requirements best. [/QUOTE]
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