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<blockquote data-quote="SBruce" data-source="post: 485042" data-attributes="member: 21068"><p>Well Varmint Guy,</p><p> </p><p>First of all, I was comparing factory velocities and right out of the Nightforce ballistic program. Yes, 3700 with 60's is probably hot for most 22-250's, but 55's at 3700 is not unrealistic at all.......I am shooting 3750 with a 55 Berger myself, and that's not a MAX load. Said program shows the <u>Federal Premium 204 with 32 Nosler BT going 4030'/sec. Same program shows the Hornady Varmint 22-250 with 50 V-Max going 3800'/sec.</u> Same program also shows the Nosler Custom 22-250 going 3850 with a 50 grn ballistic tip. Some loadings show the 20 cal 32's going 4200, but not all. </p><p> </p><p>2nd, I was referring more so to wind drift than drops..........Did I once say <u>flatter shooting or less drop??</u>................NO, I didn't. I did mention <strong>wind</strong> twice however. ****, even pushing the 32 V-Max at 4200'/sec.....it drifts more than the 55 V-Max at 3700, again based on the ballistic program at 500 yds. Don't just take my word for it. Anyone with any ballistic knowledge knows that faster is usually flatter, especially under 500 yds. There is no argument there. You're preaching to the choir by saying how much flatter the screamers will shoot.</p><p> </p><p>The ballistic program shows the <u>underlined</u> above loads to be basically equal in drop at 500 yds, When zeroed at 100. It also shows the 22-250 to have <strong>4.5"</strong> <strong>less drift</strong> in a 10 mph crosswind. </p><p> </p><p>In regards to the 204; I did mention "<strong>Unless it's shooting 40 grn bullets</strong>", I admit that the 40's at 3700 or faster look impressive ballistically. I also mentioned that the 20 caliber 40 should have a higher BC than the 22 caliber 40. Anyone with any ballistic knowlege also knows that BC is the biggest helper when it comes to wind drift. I don't own a 204, but I know a few guys that have em. They all pretty much agree that they don't quite compete with the 22-250 in the wind department.</p><p> </p><p>I compared 7 different factory 204 loads to 7 different factory 22-250 loads. The fastest 32 grn 204 loads (at 4225) still drift more than nearly all of the 50 grn loads in 22-250 (at 3800), maybe only a couple inches at 500, but they still drift more according to the program.</p><p> </p><p>Go right ahead and love the 204, I won't hold that against you. I would also appreciate you allowing me to have my opinion (which was based on real numbers that <strong>I did in fact research</strong> before posting), and not make false claims that I didn't compare correctly, or imply that I was comparing handloads to factory ammo. </p><p> </p><p>Hell, I may even someday give the 204 a shot, but it will be with a twist designed to shoot the 39 and 40 grn or heavier bullets.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SBruce, post: 485042, member: 21068"] Well Varmint Guy, First of all, I was comparing factory velocities and right out of the Nightforce ballistic program. Yes, 3700 with 60's is probably hot for most 22-250's, but 55's at 3700 is not unrealistic at all.......I am shooting 3750 with a 55 Berger myself, and that's not a MAX load. Said program shows the [U]Federal Premium 204 with 32 Nosler BT going 4030'/sec. Same program shows the Hornady Varmint 22-250 with 50 V-Max going 3800'/sec.[/U] Same program also shows the Nosler Custom 22-250 going 3850 with a 50 grn ballistic tip. Some loadings show the 20 cal 32's going 4200, but not all. 2nd, I was referring more so to wind drift than drops..........Did I once say [U]flatter shooting or less drop??[/U]................NO, I didn't. I did mention [B]wind[/B] twice however. ****, even pushing the 32 V-Max at 4200'/sec.....it drifts more than the 55 V-Max at 3700, again based on the ballistic program at 500 yds. Don't just take my word for it. Anyone with any ballistic knowledge knows that faster is usually flatter, especially under 500 yds. There is no argument there. You're preaching to the choir by saying how much flatter the screamers will shoot. The ballistic program shows the [U]underlined[/U] above loads to be basically equal in drop at 500 yds, When zeroed at 100. It also shows the 22-250 to have [B]4.5"[/B] [B]less drift[/B] in a 10 mph crosswind. In regards to the 204; I did mention "[B]Unless it's shooting 40 grn bullets[/B]", I admit that the 40's at 3700 or faster look impressive ballistically. I also mentioned that the 20 caliber 40 should have a higher BC than the 22 caliber 40. Anyone with any ballistic knowlege also knows that BC is the biggest helper when it comes to wind drift. I don't own a 204, but I know a few guys that have em. They all pretty much agree that they don't quite compete with the 22-250 in the wind department. I compared 7 different factory 204 loads to 7 different factory 22-250 loads. The fastest 32 grn 204 loads (at 4225) still drift more than nearly all of the 50 grn loads in 22-250 (at 3800), maybe only a couple inches at 500, but they still drift more according to the program. Go right ahead and love the 204, I won't hold that against you. I would also appreciate you allowing me to have my opinion (which was based on real numbers that [B]I did in fact research[/B] before posting), and not make false claims that I didn't compare correctly, or imply that I was comparing handloads to factory ammo. Hell, I may even someday give the 204 a shot, but it will be with a twist designed to shoot the 39 and 40 grn or heavier bullets. [/QUOTE]
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