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<blockquote data-quote="VarmintGuy" data-source="post: 484979" data-attributes="member: 10334"><p>SBruce: Hmmm.... it appears you are NOT comparing apples to apples here!</p><p>Your quote: </p><p> </p><p>"The 204 doesn't impress me (for Wyoming winds anyway) unless it's shooting 40 grn bullets at close to 4000'/sec. Factory ammo specs and ballistics with lighter bullets aren't that impressive, and show it falling to 2nd place ballistically. The 22-250 will push a 40 at close to 4000'/sec, just burns more powder doing it. The 20 cal 40 will have a higher BC though. </p><p></p><p>22-250 shooting 55's or 60's at 3700 (which a 14 should do) is tough to beat at 500, especially when wind is involved". </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">End of your quote:</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Now let me give a FAIRER comparison between the 204 Ruger and the 22-250 Remington if you don't mind!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">I simply refer YOU to the 2,009 Remington Arms and Ammunition catalog page 92!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">And the reason I am refering you here is because the Remington folks are unbiased and they are not comparing HOT loads in one caliber to more standard pressure loads in the other caliber.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Simply refer to the factory ballistics/trajectories for the 204 Ruger vs. the 22-250 Remington!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">The 204 Ruger in all factory offerings shoots flatter out at 500 yards than any offering for the 22-250 Remington - flatter by up to 12" as you will see when you "compare"!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Then take a closer look at the drop charts - the 204 Ruger gets this done while being zeroed at 200 (two hundred) yards while comparing itself to the 22-250 Remington which is zeroed at 250 (two hundred and fifty!) yards!!!!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Sounds like the 204 Ruger with any Remington loading has a much further "hold on fur" range than does the 22-250 Remington.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Do you follow my comparison/reality here?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">The 204 Ruger MAY take second place to SOME cartridge (you don't specify what cartridge you think the 204 Ruger is "second place to") but it is NOT the 22-250 Remington!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">I have been shooting the wonderful 22-250 Remington since day one (back in 1965 IIRC) and I have also been shooting the 204 Ruger since its "day one" - I now own and Hunt with 5 Rifles in caliber 204 Ruger - I know what the 204 Ruger can do!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">And I currently own and Hunt with 7 Rifles in caliber 22-250 Remington!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">I would appreciate everyone using fair comparisons when "comparing!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">I contend the Remington (and after all THEY legitimized the 22-250 Remington) folks have and display a fairer comparison than you do.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">As much as I enjoy and admire the 22-250 Remington the 204 Ruger is superior to it in so many ways!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ESPECIALLY at 500 yards and under!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">ESPECIALLY when shooting Prairie Dogs!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">I know - I use them both - extensively.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">My latest Nosler book shows fastest maximum loadings for the 22-250 Remington and 60 grain bullets to be 3,600 F.P.S. - again your comparison IS NOT apples to apples.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Long live the wonderful 204 Ruger!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">Hold into the wind</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #0000ff">VarmintGuy</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="VarmintGuy, post: 484979, member: 10334"] SBruce: Hmmm.... it appears you are NOT comparing apples to apples here! Your quote: "The 204 doesn't impress me (for Wyoming winds anyway) unless it's shooting 40 grn bullets at close to 4000'/sec. Factory ammo specs and ballistics with lighter bullets aren't that impressive, and show it falling to 2nd place ballistically. The 22-250 will push a 40 at close to 4000'/sec, just burns more powder doing it. The 20 cal 40 will have a higher BC though. 22-250 shooting 55's or 60's at 3700 (which a 14 should do) is tough to beat at 500, especially when wind is involved". [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]End of your quote:[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]Now let me give a FAIRER comparison between the 204 Ruger and the 22-250 Remington if you don't mind![/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]I simply refer YOU to the 2,009 Remington Arms and Ammunition catalog page 92![/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]And the reason I am refering you here is because the Remington folks are unbiased and they are not comparing HOT loads in one caliber to more standard pressure loads in the other caliber.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]Simply refer to the factory ballistics/trajectories for the 204 Ruger vs. the 22-250 Remington![/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]The 204 Ruger in all factory offerings shoots flatter out at 500 yards than any offering for the 22-250 Remington - flatter by up to 12" as you will see when you "compare"![/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]Then take a closer look at the drop charts - the 204 Ruger gets this done while being zeroed at 200 (two hundred) yards while comparing itself to the 22-250 Remington which is zeroed at 250 (two hundred and fifty!) yards!!!![/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]Sounds like the 204 Ruger with any Remington loading has a much further "hold on fur" range than does the 22-250 Remington.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]Do you follow my comparison/reality here?[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]The 204 Ruger MAY take second place to SOME cartridge (you don't specify what cartridge you think the 204 Ruger is "second place to") but it is NOT the 22-250 Remington![/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]I have been shooting the wonderful 22-250 Remington since day one (back in 1965 IIRC) and I have also been shooting the 204 Ruger since its "day one" - I now own and Hunt with 5 Rifles in caliber 204 Ruger - I know what the 204 Ruger can do![/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]And I currently own and Hunt with 7 Rifles in caliber 22-250 Remington![/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]I would appreciate everyone using fair comparisons when "comparing![/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]I contend the Remington (and after all THEY legitimized the 22-250 Remington) folks have and display a fairer comparison than you do.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]As much as I enjoy and admire the 22-250 Remington the 204 Ruger is superior to it in so many ways![/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ESPECIALLY at 500 yards and under![/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]ESPECIALLY when shooting Prairie Dogs![/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]I know - I use them both - extensively.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]My latest Nosler book shows fastest maximum loadings for the 22-250 Remington and 60 grain bullets to be 3,600 F.P.S. - again your comparison IS NOT apples to apples.[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]Long live the wonderful 204 Ruger![/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]Hold into the wind[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff]VarmintGuy[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=2][COLOR=#0000ff][/COLOR][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]
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