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<blockquote data-quote="4ked Horn" data-source="post: 73532" data-attributes="member: 11"><p>[ QUOTE ]</p><p>4Ked Horn: This is where you find out that velocity with a handgun is not the answer and penetration is the answer. Pure wheel weights cast then sized, hardened and lastly lubed, after oven tempering in the Keith style is the answer. I have a 44mag. that has been my constant companion these 30 plus years. The loads I use are at .44 special velocity from the mag case. As a point of fact the .357 mag treated the same way will penetrate slightly better. I don't know why and I given up on speculation many years ago as to why.</p><p></p><p>[/ QUOTE ]</p><p></p><p>The little I know about Elmer Keith is that he knew what he was doing and few improvements on his ideas have come to pass. I'm not sure which bullet style is his. Is it the lead semiwadcutter? What does oven tempering do for a lead bullet? I thought any hardness came from a variation in the adjuncts in the lead such as antimony or silver. Why would you load .44spl velocities if penetration is the key? Wouldn't increasing the velocity (and / or the hardness to match) increase penetration? Are you saying that the .357 loaded properly is a reasonable black bear sidearm? I hope so. Are you familliar with "lazercast" bullets? They are very hard lead cast bullets. Is there a bullet they make that you would reccomend for the .44 or the .357? (I will try to find a link for them momentarily.)</p><p></p><p>The drip sounds like a great idea except it is unlawful in Idaho to have any bait in the area more than one week in advance of the season. Pitty. It would otherwise be a great idea.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="4ked Horn, post: 73532, member: 11"] [ QUOTE ] 4Ked Horn: This is where you find out that velocity with a handgun is not the answer and penetration is the answer. Pure wheel weights cast then sized, hardened and lastly lubed, after oven tempering in the Keith style is the answer. I have a 44mag. that has been my constant companion these 30 plus years. The loads I use are at .44 special velocity from the mag case. As a point of fact the .357 mag treated the same way will penetrate slightly better. I don't know why and I given up on speculation many years ago as to why. [/ QUOTE ] The little I know about Elmer Keith is that he knew what he was doing and few improvements on his ideas have come to pass. I'm not sure which bullet style is his. Is it the lead semiwadcutter? What does oven tempering do for a lead bullet? I thought any hardness came from a variation in the adjuncts in the lead such as antimony or silver. Why would you load .44spl velocities if penetration is the key? Wouldn't increasing the velocity (and / or the hardness to match) increase penetration? Are you saying that the .357 loaded properly is a reasonable black bear sidearm? I hope so. Are you familliar with "lazercast" bullets? They are very hard lead cast bullets. Is there a bullet they make that you would reccomend for the .44 or the .357? (I will try to find a link for them momentarily.) The drip sounds like a great idea except it is unlawful in Idaho to have any bait in the area more than one week in advance of the season. Pitty. It would otherwise be a great idea. [/QUOTE]
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