338NM action??

Discussion in 'Extreme Long Range Hunting & Shooting (ELR)' started by ishootkittens, Dec 15, 2013.

  1. ishootkittens

    ishootkittens Well-Known Member

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    I am looking to build a 338nm and need some help with choosing a custom action. I know alot of guys are using standard remington long actions but i prefer custom with the larger calibers. I know ill hear the usual suspects like bat, stiller, defiance, etc. All those are definite candidates for the job but what i am looking for is a STANDARD sized action to take advantage of the norma's shorter case. So basically a .750" bolt face in a standrd long action to cut down on weight. But id also like a repeater (kinda the point of the norma). If ur guys have any recommendations id really appreciate it.
     
  2. redneckclimbing

    redneckclimbing Well-Known Member

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    You might check out the Templar V2 from GA Precision. They have a .750 bolt body and still fit a standard LA 700 footprint.
     

  3. ELR Researcher

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    What you are describing, a "short" 338 LM repeater for 338 NM on a custom action, is almost a contradiction in terms. The reason someone goes to a custom action is better quality, no "truing", and a design needed to match the cartridge they are interested in using. Custom action makers see it as a small market and focus on supporting 338 LM, not 338 NM. That means the action is longer to support the longer cartridge OAL - especially in a repeater. Also, going to a "shorter" action significantly reduces your projectile options - pretty much forget shooting 300 gr Bergers or SMKs from the magazine.

    Frankly, I'd look at the BAT HR and stop there. If you want more options, see the 338 LM tab at http://www.elr-resources.com/Receiver Matrixes - All 12082013.xls You MAY be able to save another half inch by considering the GAP Templar - see Templar Action and CALL to confirm. [They no longer post overall lengths. At one point I had info that they were the shortest repeater at 8.2".]
     
  4. sp6x6

    sp6x6 Well-Known Member

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    I have 2 Defiance,one is dbm, and other is AI mag fed. Both are same model action. Have to look at rifle to see. One with bottom metal is 7-2 oz packer,w/ abs wrap Saturn. I shoot same load out of both as they where cut very close to the same. They are both shooters,coal to lands is 3.675 w/berger OTM.
     
  5. Fiftydriver

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    I would probably recommend a Defiance Rebel with standard 1.4" tenion or a Bat HR or HRPIC receiver for what your looking to do. Sounds like you want lightest weight possible but not the reduction in strength.

    There really are no SHORTER actions that will support this chambering. Basically, you still need the full length receiver as far as bolt throw and magazine length goes.

    While the case is shorter, having the added length offered in a longer DM system will result in the ability to seat the best long range bullets out where they should be and not taking up case capacity.

    Plus, a long action will feed more smoothly then anything that would be shorter in length with this diameter of a case. If it were me, for a lighter packing rifle, my choice would be the Defiance Rebel short tenion or BAT HR.
     
  6. ishootkittens

    ishootkittens Well-Known Member

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    That is exactly what im looking for kirby. I want a standard remington footprint with a standard DM but i dont want the extra "beef" that some of the actions with a .750" bolt have. Kirby hit the nail on the head with the rebel. I havent seen the price on that BAT yet, im sure its a pretty penny. Also i checked out the GAP templar v2...and its beautiful, i just cant find a price. I really appreciate all the fast responses. I was hoping 115vld would have some imput as well. Thanks everyone

    Edit: also i want to add a 40moa rail to the top instead of a 20moa which is why i havent ordered a deffiance deviant with a .750" bolt because i love that action. Please excuse the typos, i am typing on a kindle. Thanks
     
  7. LONGSHOOTER

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    I currently have a Bat HR PIC in process that I will be setting up for a switch barrel set up. I will be able to swap bolts up or down for different size bolt heads. This will allow me to always run the same platform. I like this action.
     
  8. ishootkittens

    ishootkittens Well-Known Member

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    How do u set up a switch barrel? U will have to excuse me, im still new to lr shooting

    Edit: if u dont mind, how much was that bat action?
     
  9. LONGSHOOTER

    LONGSHOOTER Well-Known Member

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    $1415. Extra bolts $625.

    With a 0.473 bolt and a 0.532 bolt I will be able to set up with standard and magnum cartridges by simple swapping bolts and changing barrels. This will allow me to use the same action, stock, scope, trigger, etc. for most of my precision shooting needs, without the need for multiple rifles.

    I can also get the larger bolt if I wish to shoot the Lapua class of cartridges.

    Being able to chamber your own barrels would be a big plus.
     
  10. ishootkittens

    ishootkittens Well-Known Member

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    I get what your saying... that sounds like a good idea. Here is a very stupid (but serious) question. Would ptg bolts work in those actions who have a remmy footprint? My guess is no but i figured id ask. 625 is damn expensive for bolts if u ask me..but then again 1400$ sounds like alot for an action but it seems as if im not going to dodge that bullet either.
     
  11. Fiftydriver

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    I am not sure if you can get the bolt face you need WITHOUT the .750" bolt body diameter. Remember though, that as the bolt body diameter increases so does the bore hole size in the receiver, your trading steel for steel so weight difference will not be dramatic between a 0.750" bolt and a 0.700" bolt.

    Again, not sure if Defiance will offer this bolt face diameter with a standard diameter bolt, you would have to check if that's what you want.

    One more note however, the Defiance receiver has a hell for stout bolt handle design. On a Rem 700 inletted stock, the bolt notch will need to be opened up slightly to the rear of the notch to allow this very strong bolt handle to clear the stock. Easy to do with a steady hand and a dremel tool with a 1/2" drum sander attached.

    There may also need some extending of the ejection port but that will likely be the case with ANY custom receiver out there. Good luck with your project.
     
  12. Fiftydriver

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    No, at least not to my knowledge anyway. BAT receivers are unique and their bolt design is also unique. Very few custom receivers that are clones to the Rem 700 use bolts that are even similar to a Rem 700. The advantage of these custom receivers is that their bolt heads are over engineered for strength, wider, taller and longer bolt lugs support the larger diameter cases better when loaded to higher chamber pressure.

    Plus, there is often much more steel behind the bolt lugs supporting the bolt head adding to the total strength of the receiver system. As such, most bolts are different lengths then a Rem 700 bolt.
     
  13. xdeano

    xdeano Well-Known Member

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    I did mine on a Badger M2013. It is a hell of an action. It is above and beyond the M2008. It's built like a tank. Awesome Action. Silky smooth. The action comes with double recoil lugs integral, 3x2 bolt lugs, 20moa rail. Check them out. They're a great action.

    xdeano
     
  14. Fiftydriver

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    Pretty sure the M2013 does not have a Rem 700 footprint or is it a great choice for a lightweight rifle. For a medium to heavy tactical rifle, right on the money but I think from the OPs goal, to much of a lot of things.