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338 Edge vs 338 Allen Mag???
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<blockquote data-quote="fmajor" data-source="post: 338432" data-attributes="member: 20646"><p>This seems to me to be a "apples and oranges" kinda comparison. About the only thing these two cartridges have in common is caliber. Otherwise, i *think* the respective designers pursued slightly different goals or minimially used a different set of constraints.</p><p> </p><p>Even Mr. Allen has a different .338 "magnum" type cartridge (.338 Allen Xpress) than his cavernous 338 Allen Magnum. </p><p> </p><p>Data below from here:</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f23/allen-mag-shooters-group-18433/index39.html" target="_blank">http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f23/allen-mag-shooters-group-18433/index39.html</a></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><strong><u>338 Allen Magnum</u></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px">408 Cheyenne Tactical parent case, necked down to 338, shoulder moved roughly 50 thou forward and fireformed to min body taper and sharper shoulder angle.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px">265 gr. AT RBBT(.920 bc) at 3500 fps in 32" barrel up to 350 gr. ULD RBBT at 3200 fps in 32" barrel.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">Designed for heavy big game hunting at long range or standard big game hunting out to extreme range. Has been proven consistant and accurate out to 3008 yards by holding moa accurate out to this range and remaining super sonic in velocity with the 265 gr. AT RBBT. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Appropriate powders: H-50BMG(recommended), H-870, AA8700, US869, WC872, VV 20N29</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><strong><u>338 Allen Xpress</u></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'">338 Lapua Magnum parent case, fireformed to Allen Magnum shoulder and body configuration.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px">200 gr. (3350 to 3450 fps in 27-30" barrels) to 300 gr. SMK or ULD RBBT (2850 to 2950 fps in 27-30" barrels)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Designed for heavy game out to long range.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Calibri'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Appropriate powders: H4831, Rl-22, Rl-25, H-1000, Ramshot Magnum, Retumbo</span></span></p><p> </p><p>I think Mr. Carlock's 338 Edge and Mr. Allen's 338 Allen Xpress would be a better comparison, but Mr. Carlock's comment above is spot-on. The more limiting factor is the user, not the equipment. I can buy the same cameras, film and darkroom equipment Ansel Adams used, but in no way can i use that gear to the same level as him. It just ain't gonna happen.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fmajor, post: 338432, member: 20646"] This seems to me to be a "apples and oranges" kinda comparison. About the only thing these two cartridges have in common is caliber. Otherwise, i *think* the respective designers pursued slightly different goals or minimially used a different set of constraints. Even Mr. Allen has a different .338 "magnum" type cartridge (.338 Allen Xpress) than his cavernous 338 Allen Magnum. Data below from here: [URL]http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f23/allen-mag-shooters-group-18433/index39.html[/URL] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri][B][U]338 Allen Magnum[/U][/B][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri][FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]408 Cheyenne Tactical parent case, necked down to 338, shoulder moved roughly 50 thou forward and fireformed to min body taper and sharper shoulder angle.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]265 gr. AT RBBT(.920 bc) at 3500 fps in 32” barrel up to 350 gr. ULD RBBT at 3200 fps in 32” barrel.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Designed for heavy big game hunting at long range or standard big game hunting out to extreme range. Has been proven consistant and accurate out to 3008 yards by holding moa accurate out to this range and remaining super sonic in velocity with the 265 gr. AT RBBT. [/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appropriate powders: H-50BMG(recommended), H-870, AA8700, US869, WC872, VV 20N29[/SIZE][/FONT] [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri][B][U]338 Allen Xpress[/U][/B][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]338 Lapua Magnum parent case, fireformed to Allen Magnum shoulder and body configuration.[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]200 gr. (3350 to 3450 fps in 27-30” barrels) to 300 gr. SMK or ULD RBBT (2850 to 2950 fps in 27-30” barrels)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Designed for heavy game out to long range.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appropriate powders: H4831, Rl-22, Rl-25, H-1000, Ramshot Magnum, Retumbo[/SIZE][/FONT] I think Mr. Carlock's 338 Edge and Mr. Allen's 338 Allen Xpress would be a better comparison, but Mr. Carlock's comment above is spot-on. The more limiting factor is the user, not the equipment. I can buy the same cameras, film and darkroom equipment Ansel Adams used, but in no way can i use that gear to the same level as him. It just ain't gonna happen. [/QUOTE]
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