338 cal 265grn wildcat bullet test

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  1. Black Diamond 408

    Black Diamond 408 Well-Known Member

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    I got some of Richards bullets to test in my 338 Snipe-Tac, he sent 265gn and 300grn bullets. I dont think the 300's will work in my bbl so i didnt fire any of those yet.

    I loaded up 6 rounds to sight in with at 100yds, the gun was sighted with 300MK's dead on. The first group was 2" high, about 1" three shots. I lowered the scope 2 MOA, next group was dead center but about 1 1/4" size.
    Not what i was hoping for as the SMK bullets shoot in the low .2's. I figured the slower twist im using is causing the problem. The bullet holes are round so that was a plus. The initial loads were 145grns of H-BMG50, that produced 3500fps. The cases ejected easy but the primers were just a bit flatened.

    I talked with Barney Lawton about my tests and he said if the holes were round then there prolly is a load that will make the bullets work. I pondered, maybe im driving them to fast? Sometimes 100yd groups are very decieving, what shoots good at 100 dont nessesarly shoot good at long distances, and visa versa. So i decided to do a long range test to see how the groups react.

    I lasered a distance and set up a target stand, 703 yards. I loaded up three different powders, all are a bit different in burn rates. fastest to slowest,
    US869....H-BMG50...WC872
    I have used all three of these in testing with the 300MK, the 265 Alum tipped bullet has a long baring surface so the same loads were used to start with.

    My gun loves WC872 with the 300MK, 143grns = 3300fps
    Test rifle
    Viersco stainless repeater action
    Lone Wolf carbon stock
    Lawton 33" 1-11.25 twist bbl
    30moa base
    IOR 6-24x50 35mm tube scope
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    I loaded up three 143 WC872
    Testing:
    Average speed, 3400fps
    SD 16
    Group size 703yds 7"
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    Next test group
    140grns WC872
    Speed 3337
    SD 9
    Group size 703yds 6"
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    H-BMG 50 powder
    140grns
    Speed 3407
    SD 18
    Group size 703 6"
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    H-BMG 50
    142grns
    speed 3450
    SD 9
    Group size 703yds 4.5"
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    US869 powder
    140grns
    speed 3437
    SD 3
    Group size 3.2"
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    The faster burning powders seemed to do a better job accuracy wise. Several groups were at or just under 1/2 moa at the 703 yard target.
    All loads were tested with TTi armory brass.

    The Exbal program was very close in predicting the needed MOA, tests ranged from 7 moa to 8moa, depending on the load used. Every test shot found the target, it was a 2 foot square target board.

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    I also tested the accuracy of my small chrono vs the Ohler 34, They were with in 8-10 fps on every shot.

    My next test i will set up the chrono at 700yds and see what the speed is at that distance.

    there will be some test results coming with a faster twist barrel and the 300grn AT Wildcats.

    Dave
     

  2. blygy

    blygy Well-Known Member

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    Right on.. I love hearing about these new bullets and how well they seem to work so far..

    Keep the info coming please..
     

  3. Eaglet

    Eaglet Well-Known Member

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    Black Diamond 408,

    Good work! Nice reading. What model is the small chrono?
    I hope you don't shoot it to pieces.:D
    I can see me doing something like that!
    Good luck! Thanks for sharing and keep it coming!
     
  4. Buffalobob

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    Half MOA at 700 yards at 3437fps sounds like a fine load to me
     
  5. jwp475

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    US869 powder
    140grns
    speed 3437
    SD 3
    Group size 3.2" at 703 yards is .435 MOA I think she is starting to come around....
     
  6. royinidaho

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    Bad to the bone! Both lookin' and shootin'
     
  7. Black Diamond 408

    Black Diamond 408 Well-Known Member

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    Eaglet,

    Its a Prochrono Plus...dont know much more than that. Seems to be accurate for a little portable.
     
  8. Fiftydriver

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    Interesting data, In the testing I have done with these bullets I have never found them to be finicky like your seeing but I would image that is a barrel issue more then anything.

    Looking at your data, the slower powders are not producing the accuracy like the faster burning powder is. From my test, US869 is much faster burning then the other two you tested. I would also be curious what the bore diameter of your Lawton barrel is?

    The reason I ask is because I have a couple Lawtons that have relatively large diameter bores for their calibers. If this is common, it would make sense that your barrel would shoot the loads with the faster burning powder better.

    The reason is because the faster burning powder gives the bullet a quicker kick in the rear and will bump it up to fill the bore much better and more consistantly then the slower burning powders would.

    I use Lilja barrels on all of my big 338 rifles for personal use and customers and they generally run VERY tight bores. In fact, ranging from 1 to 1.5 thou smaller then nominal in most every case and some are nearly 2 thou smaller then nominal. This certainly limits velocity potential to some degree which I have found compared to other barrels but it also generally produces extreme accuracy at any pressure level as there is no real need for the bullet to be bumped up under pressure.

    I have tested this same bullet from 2700 fps up to nearly 3600 fps now and it has always produced 1/2 moa or less accuracy at any range I have tested it at so far out to 1500 yards and from there is has shot well under 1 moa out to 3K so far with any load I have tried in it but I am sure that is the tight bore thing again being less finicky with different burn rate powders.

    The velocity potential of this bullet is really impressive over the 300 gr SMK. I did some penetration tests this weekend that revealed it may be a better deer bullet then elk bullet but more testing will come very soon on that.

    Just curious what BC you were using to get on paper at 700 yards with a 100 yard zero?

    Interesting testing again. Also, if you have the bore diameter specs that would also be interesting to know?

    How were your primer pockets at the 3500 fps level?

    Thats the nice thing about this bullet, offers higher BC then the 300 gr SMK and higher velocity as well. Loaded my lightweight 338 AM up until the bolt lift just started to get sticky and where I got a noticable ejector mark on the case head and she was running REALLY Hard at 3600 fps. Primer pockets were slightly loosened but still usible for 3-4 firings I would suspect.

    Still, I load my 338 AM to 3500 fps with this bullet, blows the 300 gr SMK away at any velocity and is a VERY mild load, much milder then my standard 300 gr SMK at 3400 fps.

    Keep us posted. If you get those velocity readings, please post them, would be very interesting.

    Kirby Allen(50)
     
  9. Black Diamond 408

    Black Diamond 408 Well-Known Member

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    At 3500fps the bolt lifted easy, primer pockets were ok, and this is with TTI brass, just a bit softer than Jamison. That was with the BMG50 powder. I havent checked the pockets from the US869 loads, they were a bit warmer. But they didnt open any harder than the other loads. All were easy extraction.

    US869 is noticably faster burning.

    I do not have any of these issues with the 300MK bullet, any load any powder and it shoots. I suspect there are some twist issues here as well.
    I am stretched to the limit as far as bullet length, the 300mk works very well, the 265wc being a bit longer is causing some finicky problems. The 350WC will not shoot at all, side ways at 100yds. By seeing groups over 1 moa at 100yds and only 4" groups at 700yds is showing a stabilization issue. I would say the 10 twist or faster would be the right choice. The Rock 9.4 should be a real good test.

    I plugged .920 BC into exbal to get the drops matched up. 3450fps, 1200' elevation, 90 deg, 61% hum. 3 mph into wind

    8moa 700yds, the groups were anywhere from several inches high to a min. low, all on the vertical line.

    It says 13.75 for 1000yds

    With the limited amount of bullets i had i couldnt do more testing.
     
  10. edge

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    I may be 100% off, but I can often find problems at night.
    If you can shoot the 300SMK and the 265 WC in the dark, either with a friend or better yet using a camera. You know that the SMK's are accurate, so use that as a baseline, and if the muzzle flash is noticeably exaggerated with the 265's, then try a different load.

    This may not work for you, but I have found that when the muzzle flash is much more than my baseline loads that I might as well move to something different.

    edge.
     
  11. davewilson

    davewilson Well-Known Member

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    i will agree that it will never work for me!
     
  12. goodgrouper

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    BD408,

    Hey, whilst you still have a few of them there Aluminum tipped beauties, how 'bout firing them into some bone, paper, or gelatin at long range and see what they will do? Or send me a couple and I'll try it!
     
  13. Down Under Hunter

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    Just a question Dave. What twist rate are you shooting ?? I was interested to see if someone was shooting the 265 out of 1:10 ??

    I am having a 338 edge built and am looking at using the 265 wildcat, with the 300 SMK as back up ??

    What are yoour thoughts on the possibilities of this in 1:10 ?

    Many thanks
     
  14. shaner2121

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    Dave, my snipetac needs some of these, Filthy!!!