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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 860574" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>Please explain to me how headspace on the rifle would cause the VIRGIN brass to be 20 thou thinner on one side then the other.......</p><p> </p><p>If you read my post, I also stated that new brass may be better, its been over 10 years since you called me an uneducated fool that had no idea how to measure brass and simply did not have the experience to know what I was looking at. Your words, not mine.</p><p> </p><p>I was just commenting on a statement made by another poster, I did not bring it up. </p><p> </p><p>I also stated FACTS about your Warbird brass, this is not opinion. We used YOUR load data and it blew out primer pockets on the first firing with your original Warbird brass. In fact we had to reduce loads to 3400 fps with the 180 gr bullets you recommend to get reusable brass. That's the same pretty much as a 300 RUM in same length barrel.</p><p> </p><p>I also stated that newer Warbird brass was better but we could still not get the advertised velocity listed using your load data but we could at least get up to 3500 fps with a 180 gr, still not the 3550 fps advertised. </p><p> </p><p>This problem came up LONG before I was building rifles and your insulting response also came well before I was building anything. This is not my opinion. IF anyone wants to see the raving reviews of Lazzeroni Warbird brass, please go to <a href="http://www.midwayusa.com" target="_blank">www.midwayusa.com</a> and look up the 7.82 Warbird reloading brass. Read the reviews of that brass. I think it barely gets over 2 out of 5 stars and the reviews speak for themselves.</p><p> </p><p>Again, my problem with the tomahawk brass was with VIRGIN brass, not brass that had been fired even once in my rifle so your excuse holds no water and never has. I will again be fair and say that recent reviews of your Tomahawk brass have been quite good. Seems you got things straightened out with that problem which is good. Still your response to a customer that had legit problems with your brass was pitiful at best.</p><p> </p><p>IT is for that reason that I have no desire to give you or your products another chance. There are better systems out there and better brass for less money, again, that's a fact.</p><p> </p><p>If you would like to DEBATE this AGAIN, no problem at all, lets go again for about the 10th time!! Facts still support me. In fact I still have that worthless brass sitting on my self and again, I am pretty sure a rifles headspace will not effect the case wall thickness consistency on VIRGIN BRASS. </p><p> </p><p>Another point where you are wrong, I did not build that rifle, again, this problem was long before I had built any rifles. This was a Savage M16LZ. I will admit, it shot well but brass did not last more then a couple firings. I think it was the end of 2001 or beginning of 2002 that I got the rifle just to give it a try, was far more trouble then it was worth and your response was pathetic at best to a customer that was asking for help. </p><p> </p><p>From what I have heard over the years, the replies I got from you were relatively common if anyone ever questioned you about your products. So, if you want to stir this up more, lets go. I can dig out my notes again and post all the factual information for everyone to see and decide for themselves. I could probably even dig up those old e-mail replies directly from you if you want that out there for everyone to see.</p><p> </p><p>Your call, if you want to, lets start another post so you do not hi jack my thread on my 338 AX.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 860574, member: 10"] Please explain to me how headspace on the rifle would cause the VIRGIN brass to be 20 thou thinner on one side then the other....... If you read my post, I also stated that new brass may be better, its been over 10 years since you called me an uneducated fool that had no idea how to measure brass and simply did not have the experience to know what I was looking at. Your words, not mine. I was just commenting on a statement made by another poster, I did not bring it up. I also stated FACTS about your Warbird brass, this is not opinion. We used YOUR load data and it blew out primer pockets on the first firing with your original Warbird brass. In fact we had to reduce loads to 3400 fps with the 180 gr bullets you recommend to get reusable brass. That's the same pretty much as a 300 RUM in same length barrel. I also stated that newer Warbird brass was better but we could still not get the advertised velocity listed using your load data but we could at least get up to 3500 fps with a 180 gr, still not the 3550 fps advertised. This problem came up LONG before I was building rifles and your insulting response also came well before I was building anything. This is not my opinion. IF anyone wants to see the raving reviews of Lazzeroni Warbird brass, please go to [URL="http://www.midwayusa.com"]www.midwayusa.com[/URL] and look up the 7.82 Warbird reloading brass. Read the reviews of that brass. I think it barely gets over 2 out of 5 stars and the reviews speak for themselves. Again, my problem with the tomahawk brass was with VIRGIN brass, not brass that had been fired even once in my rifle so your excuse holds no water and never has. I will again be fair and say that recent reviews of your Tomahawk brass have been quite good. Seems you got things straightened out with that problem which is good. Still your response to a customer that had legit problems with your brass was pitiful at best. IT is for that reason that I have no desire to give you or your products another chance. There are better systems out there and better brass for less money, again, that's a fact. If you would like to DEBATE this AGAIN, no problem at all, lets go again for about the 10th time!! Facts still support me. In fact I still have that worthless brass sitting on my self and again, I am pretty sure a rifles headspace will not effect the case wall thickness consistency on VIRGIN BRASS. Another point where you are wrong, I did not build that rifle, again, this problem was long before I had built any rifles. This was a Savage M16LZ. I will admit, it shot well but brass did not last more then a couple firings. I think it was the end of 2001 or beginning of 2002 that I got the rifle just to give it a try, was far more trouble then it was worth and your response was pathetic at best to a customer that was asking for help. From what I have heard over the years, the replies I got from you were relatively common if anyone ever questioned you about your products. So, if you want to stir this up more, lets go. I can dig out my notes again and post all the factual information for everyone to see and decide for themselves. I could probably even dig up those old e-mail replies directly from you if you want that out there for everyone to see. Your call, if you want to, lets start another post so you do not hi jack my thread on my 338 AX. [/QUOTE]
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