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308 vs 30-06 and other rounds? WHY is a 308 better?!?
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<blockquote data-quote="Bart B" data-source="post: 778746" data-attributes="member: 5302"><p>I doubt Gunny Hathcock lost 200 yards in range going from the .30-06 M72 round to the 7.62 NATO M118 rounds. Both rounds used in Viet Nam used 172-gr. FMJBT match bullets. The difference in range where the .30-06 bullet's moving 1222 fps at 1000 yards and the same bullet from the NATO round's only about 50 yards; it's moving at 1222 fps at 950 yards.</p><p></p><p>While the Gunny may have said that, in 1971 at the Interservice Rifle Matches he told me he liked his old, near shot out .30-06 because he knew very well the trigger's feel and letoff as well as the round's adjustments for different ranges and wind with bullets coming from it in the lot of ammo he used. He didn't like the Rem. 700's triggers at all. When the USMC unit at Quantico tested his rifle after he retired, it shot his lot of match ammo into about 18 or more inches at 1000 yards; the barrel was somewhat eroded in its throat. The Rem 700's in 7.62 NATO shot about 10 inches at 1000 with a good lot of M118 match ammo according to the USMC rifle team members I talked with back then about their new sniper rifle.</p><p></p><p>In the late '60's the USN Match Conditioning Unit in San Diego came up with a round for a sniping cartidge. A .30-.338 Win. Mag. with its belt and rim turned down to body diameter and a new extractor groove cut. Called the .30 Super, it had the same great 1/2 MOA accuracy at 1000 yards as its parent case but without all the accuracy headaches of the belt. The other services were shooting .30-.338's in long range matches winning and setting records, but the powers to be said no, they'd use the 7.62 NATO match round.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bart B, post: 778746, member: 5302"] I doubt Gunny Hathcock lost 200 yards in range going from the .30-06 M72 round to the 7.62 NATO M118 rounds. Both rounds used in Viet Nam used 172-gr. FMJBT match bullets. The difference in range where the .30-06 bullet's moving 1222 fps at 1000 yards and the same bullet from the NATO round's only about 50 yards; it's moving at 1222 fps at 950 yards. While the Gunny may have said that, in 1971 at the Interservice Rifle Matches he told me he liked his old, near shot out .30-06 because he knew very well the trigger's feel and letoff as well as the round's adjustments for different ranges and wind with bullets coming from it in the lot of ammo he used. He didn't like the Rem. 700's triggers at all. When the USMC unit at Quantico tested his rifle after he retired, it shot his lot of match ammo into about 18 or more inches at 1000 yards; the barrel was somewhat eroded in its throat. The Rem 700's in 7.62 NATO shot about 10 inches at 1000 with a good lot of M118 match ammo according to the USMC rifle team members I talked with back then about their new sniper rifle. In the late '60's the USN Match Conditioning Unit in San Diego came up with a round for a sniping cartidge. A .30-.338 Win. Mag. with its belt and rim turned down to body diameter and a new extractor groove cut. Called the .30 Super, it had the same great 1/2 MOA accuracy at 1000 yards as its parent case but without all the accuracy headaches of the belt. The other services were shooting .30-.338's in long range matches winning and setting records, but the powers to be said no, they'd use the 7.62 NATO match round. [/QUOTE]
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