308 bullet, in 300 win mag Does this look right?? PICS Take a look please

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  1. DIDYSIS

    DIDYSIS Member

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    Ok so I got these 150 grain 308 bullets and they seem to not sit very deep in the case, question is do they need to sit all the way in to the rib like factory or are they good just as the pic shows, the top bullets are factory, the bottom one is the reload, then the actual bullets are right there so you can see the distance in the case and what not. Length is fine over all, but what about the bullet being seated to that point. Seems like these would fit a 30-30 way better, or is this normal?? Please let me know. DIDYSIS gun)


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  2. Gunpoor

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    They look fine to me. I have loaded ammo for a 264Win Mag that had a really long throat with bullets seated shallower than those in your pic without issue. As long as the bullets have enough tension in the brass so they don't move at all, and they chamber easily in your rifle you are good to go.
     

  3. Mike6158

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    No it doesn't look right. It looks like a 150 gr. flat nose bullet for a .30-.30. I don't know for sure but that's what I'm thinking that it is.

    I can't say that it won't shoot in your rifle but I can say that I wouldn't use them in anything but a .30-30 if that's what they are. Especially not a .300 Win Mag.
     
  4. bigbuck

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    I'm with mike6158. I wouldn't take the chance .....

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  5. J E Custom

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    The shape of the bullet determines where the cannelure is placed on the bullet because the
    ogive of the round nose or larger nose is larger and would place the ogive in to close to the
    lands.

    It is recomended that if you buy/use bullets with a cannelure that you crimp the case in the
    cannelure. (You don't have to crimp but the location should be the same).

    There is nothing wrong with using these bullets as long as you seat them to the cannelure.

    These bullets are round nose and were not designed for tubular magazines just for short magazines and hard kicking rifles.

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  6. Mike6158

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    Don't take this as argumentative or confrontational... but aside from the boat-tail, which tells me it's not the same bullet as the one in the image below, the bullets he's asking about don't look like round nosed bullets to me. Granted the ogive radius is different than what I've shown below but the bullet still looks flat-nosed to me. Could be that I'm "confusing" soft point with flat nosed... If I'm wrong that's cool with me. I would just like to make this a learning experience and know why I'm wrong.

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  7. J E Custom

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    No problem.

    The first bullet shown is a spitzer,the second is a spitzer also but the third is Called a semi
    spitzer soft point, the forth and fifth are soft point boat tails.

    The bullet you posted is definitely a flat nose and for a tubular magazine.

    you are right about the round nose. the true round nose bullet normally has a larger nose
    on it and must be seated deeper than the semi spitzer.

    The main thing is that they should be seated to the cannelure ,but not necessarily crimped
    unless they are in a tubular mag.

    Sorry I was half asleep.

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  8. Gunpoor

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    I don't and never have crimped a bottle-necked rifle cartridge and really don't give a fat cat's rat's ass where the cannalure of a bullet is in relation to the seating depth of a bullet! The only thing that differetiates a 30/30 bullet from other .308" bullets is the 30/30 bullets are made with a flat meplat in an effort to keep some Bubba from using spire point bullets in a tubular magazine. I stand by what I have posted previously and repeat there is nothing wrong with the seating of the bullets in the picture if they will in fact fit in the chamber of intended rifle.
     
  9. WRG

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    DIDYSIS, if you want the best performance from your 300 WM you would be better off using a heavier bullet in the 180 -200 grain weight range. You'll spend a lot of time trying to get that 150 grain bullet to group good consistently. The cartridge was designed around the 180 gr bullet weight class and is the best choice for nominal performance. The larger powder capacity of the 300 wm over the 30-30, 308, & 30-06 allows one to load to much higher velocities and muzzel energy therefore, it takes some finess to get the lighter bullets to stabilize. It's all about barrel wip and timing the bullet to leave the muzzel at the best velocity/vibration node for accuracy with any given rifle.

    Sure many here will dis-agree with this and have had success with the lighter bullets, but my gut feeling is your farely new to reloading "no disrespect" and if you want to achieve some sort of satifaction in your reloading efforts, try the heavier bullet for now.

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  10. DIDYSIS

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    Ya I know that the heavier bullets seem to fly allot better out of the 300WM, I have a target 223 for shooting really really tight groups, mostly the 300 in the hunting rifle and more than anything just a ton of fun to shoot. So far I have been shooting 150 grain bullets and have had no problems getting them to group good on paper, I mean I don't shoot bench rest style just off the bi pod laying prone and what not, I mean just like while out hunting. I honestly have been able to group with the 150gr at 300 yards well and shoot not bad at 500 yards. I can hit a milk jug a long ways out and that's good enough for me. I load with a Dillon press, plan to have 168gr bullets for elk and deer, but I want to load some 110gr or 120ish to see what I can do with those for just going out and shooting target and predators. I know maybe I cant get them to group in the same hole, but if I can get it to an inch or so at 200 yards that's fine with me. The 223 is the target gun. I am a savage fan both guns are savages



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  11. 7 loader

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    The bullets should be fine to shoot. I have loaded rnd nose in 308, 30-06, and 300's for brush busters. Do check the cup for your seating die. It is leaving a ring at the top of your bullets. A small file some 1000 grit sand paper and some elbow grease will take care of that problem.gun)
     
  12. WRG

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    DIDYSIS, your a man after my own heart. I too am a big Savage fan and you really have some fine looking rifles there.

    As far as bullets are concerned in the 300 wm, as long as you can match the bullet to the proper terminal performance you expect on the game animal your're hunting you should do fine. Paper punching and plinking is a whole different game all together and by the sounds of things you're well on your way to exploring the far reaches of this fine cartridge.

    Just to let you know, if ever you have a desire to shoot lead with a reduced load in the 300 wm, don't be affraid to try it. Currently I shoot a 195 gr gas check bullet from mine every week in competition "Schuetzen". Only pushing 1600 fps but the accuracy at 200 yards is better than anyone could ever expect. I finish in the top five every week, when I'm on my game!


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  13. DIDYSIS

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    I have owned a bunch of savage rifles I love them and will never own anything else
     
  14. Mike6158

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    I'm glad you created this thread. I haven't reloaded anything but 20 rounds of .338-300 in the last 4 months. I forgot I had those 150 grain "flat heads" for my old Model 94 Winchester .30-30 (it was old when my dad bought it before I was born and that was a shade over 52 years ago. It's still a good shooter). I just loaded up 30 rounds... time to go to the range.

    Nothing more relaxing than reloading... unless maybe it's shooting them.

    PS- I put a very slight taper crimp on the cartridge at the cannelure. Always do when I load for this rifle. It's the only rifle cartridge that I crimp...
     
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