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<blockquote data-quote="Dave King" data-source="post: 384" data-attributes="member: 3"><p>Shaky and Jonathan</p><p></p><p> Figured I'd explain a little more about my close range experiences with the Ballistic Tip.</p><p></p><p> First I'll say that I have used the Ballistic Tip extensively. I used it for an entire year on crop damage deer with the 243. I used both the 70 grain varmint version and the 90 grain hunting version. The furthest kill with the 70 grain was 526 yards on a double lung shot, the doe went about 40 yards and piled up. The little 70 grain varmint BTip did a complete pass through.</p><p></p><p> I've used them on groundhogs in 22, 6mm and 30 caliber, all very accurate.</p><p></p><p> I've never had a problem with them 'exploding' with the 308 or 243 (the 90 grain hunting version BTip).</p><p> The 300 Win mag is another issue. I'll cover the last experience with them when I was too close to the deer (and I picked the wrong shot placement). I was on an intercept for a fella I hunt with, we hunt as a pair and force the deer back and forth across a narrow island, sort of a two man drive and each driver advancing alternately acting as driver then stander. A small doe (yearling) walked out from some brush about 15 yards from me (I was shooting meat for other hunters) and I placed the crosshairs between her eyes and pressed the trigger. Loud boom, pinkish mist and the deer was on the ground in the light snow. I turned about 120 degrees to better watch the intended entrance for the deer and eventually saw my partner. I turned again to where the dead doe was and, NO deer, it was gone. I was completely dumbfounded, a few quick thoughts flashed through my mind to account for the missing deer, BIG EAGLE got it, ALIEN from Predator, Day dreaming? I stepped over to where the deer had hit the ground and there was significant amounts of blood, tracks entering and LEAVING the blood stains. I followed the track about 30 yards and heard a wet gargling sort of snorkeling sound, very odd. I looked in the direction of the sound and there that deer was, pitiful sight to say the least. It's face was blown back like a peeled banana nearly even with it's eye sockets. I shot it in the back of the head and was done with it. I had one blow-up on a hard quartering-to shot onto a shoulder also.</p><p></p><p> They're a good bullet and I like them but I just don't trust them when they're going real fast. I believe a double-lung close range shot is okay but I'm careful with them.</p><p> (As a side note, I'm still shooting the same Lot Number I've had for years.)</p><p></p><p> I do have a ballistic tip that I recovered from an elk I shot at 905 yards, it retained 150+- grains and was recovered from the off-side of the elk, great long range bullet.</p><p></p><p> This post is certainly not meant to dispute anyones experience with Ballistics Tips, it's just my experience with them and the lesson I've taken to heart from MY experience(s).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dave King, post: 384, member: 3"] Shaky and Jonathan Figured I'd explain a little more about my close range experiences with the Ballistic Tip. First I'll say that I have used the Ballistic Tip extensively. I used it for an entire year on crop damage deer with the 243. I used both the 70 grain varmint version and the 90 grain hunting version. The furthest kill with the 70 grain was 526 yards on a double lung shot, the doe went about 40 yards and piled up. The little 70 grain varmint BTip did a complete pass through. I've used them on groundhogs in 22, 6mm and 30 caliber, all very accurate. I've never had a problem with them 'exploding' with the 308 or 243 (the 90 grain hunting version BTip). The 300 Win mag is another issue. I'll cover the last experience with them when I was too close to the deer (and I picked the wrong shot placement). I was on an intercept for a fella I hunt with, we hunt as a pair and force the deer back and forth across a narrow island, sort of a two man drive and each driver advancing alternately acting as driver then stander. A small doe (yearling) walked out from some brush about 15 yards from me (I was shooting meat for other hunters) and I placed the crosshairs between her eyes and pressed the trigger. Loud boom, pinkish mist and the deer was on the ground in the light snow. I turned about 120 degrees to better watch the intended entrance for the deer and eventually saw my partner. I turned again to where the dead doe was and, NO deer, it was gone. I was completely dumbfounded, a few quick thoughts flashed through my mind to account for the missing deer, BIG EAGLE got it, ALIEN from Predator, Day dreaming? I stepped over to where the deer had hit the ground and there was significant amounts of blood, tracks entering and LEAVING the blood stains. I followed the track about 30 yards and heard a wet gargling sort of snorkeling sound, very odd. I looked in the direction of the sound and there that deer was, pitiful sight to say the least. It's face was blown back like a peeled banana nearly even with it's eye sockets. I shot it in the back of the head and was done with it. I had one blow-up on a hard quartering-to shot onto a shoulder also. They're a good bullet and I like them but I just don't trust them when they're going real fast. I believe a double-lung close range shot is okay but I'm careful with them. (As a side note, I'm still shooting the same Lot Number I've had for years.) I do have a ballistic tip that I recovered from an elk I shot at 905 yards, it retained 150+- grains and was recovered from the off-side of the elk, great long range bullet. This post is certainly not meant to dispute anyones experience with Ballistics Tips, it's just my experience with them and the lesson I've taken to heart from MY experience(s). [/QUOTE]
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