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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 422369" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>Back before I did my testing I remember watching a video from a guy that was claiming 2 mile reach. He had made claims that he had Killed a varmint at nearly two miles so I figured he knew what he was doing so I get the video.</p><p> </p><p>Well, there were two shooting sessions on the video if I recall correctly at a supposed 3500 yards. One was at a hood of a car, VERY LARGE HOOD, at least +4 foot square and the other was at a sheet of 4x8 plywood.</p><p> </p><p>Before I watched this video I had heard great things about this fellows reputation as an extreme range shooter and that he held the world record kill. Lots of guys were talking about him.</p><p> </p><p>Anyway, back to the video, They probably took 25 or 30 shots during each session. They had the camera on the target but all you could see was a very small target spec as they had the camera zoomed back enough that you could see it but not with any detail.</p><p> </p><p>They would shoot and you would see a dust cloud come up but because of the image quality it could have been 10 feet from the target and you would have never known any different. After every shot they would report the impact as being VERY close to the target and every once in a while they would call a hit. How they could tell this is beyond me. Knowing what I know now, time of flight seemed very short </p><p> </p><p>After the session they would drive up to the target and looked it over. I think on the first target there was one actual bullet hole that I could see but they claimed that most of their shots were within a foot of the target but did not show any impacts in the dirt to prove it. On the second shooting session they had three shots on the 4-8 sheet of plywood, out of at least 25 that they videoed anyway, likely was much more then that. They were all giving high fives and ataboys because of the three hits on this target and then they go to the "If you practice and invest in good equipment, someday you can shoot this good also!!!"</p><p> </p><p>Talk about a load of crap.</p><p> </p><p>Shooting at a target at +3000 yards and making predictable, consistant shot placement at that range are two totally different things. Just because you can dial up to that range does not mean you have the rifle that will get the bullet there consistantly.</p><p> </p><p>This is not an opinion, its simple physics and that can not be overcome no matter how hard you try to sell it. Yes these guys did make some hits at nearly 2 miles but to me, four hits in +50 shots fired is pathetic!!!</p><p> </p><p>All that tells me is that they are relying on 100% random luck to make those hits and it is not repeatable or expected by them, just **** luck.</p><p> </p><p>The whole topic here should be about consistancy. We often talk about 1/2 moa consistancy as a standard. At this range, even 2 moa would be **** good, amazing in fact. I have tested what I believe is the more potent long range combo so far we have in a conventional rifle at I can tell you that at 3400 ft elevation, you are still limited to around 3100 yards max range</p><p> </p><p>Do some bullets hold stability better then others when they drop out of supersonic velocity, perhaps but they all loose some level of stability and they all are dramatically inconsistant and unpredictable when they do this, some just more then others.</p><p> </p><p>Be careful guys, there are many more STORIES out there then facts when talking about +3000 yard shooting. Hell, even +2600 yards is out of the range of 90% of all long range rifles being used today. Has nothing to do with equipment, just simple physics is all, can not get around that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 422369, member: 10"] Back before I did my testing I remember watching a video from a guy that was claiming 2 mile reach. He had made claims that he had Killed a varmint at nearly two miles so I figured he knew what he was doing so I get the video. Well, there were two shooting sessions on the video if I recall correctly at a supposed 3500 yards. One was at a hood of a car, VERY LARGE HOOD, at least +4 foot square and the other was at a sheet of 4x8 plywood. Before I watched this video I had heard great things about this fellows reputation as an extreme range shooter and that he held the world record kill. Lots of guys were talking about him. Anyway, back to the video, They probably took 25 or 30 shots during each session. They had the camera on the target but all you could see was a very small target spec as they had the camera zoomed back enough that you could see it but not with any detail. They would shoot and you would see a dust cloud come up but because of the image quality it could have been 10 feet from the target and you would have never known any different. After every shot they would report the impact as being VERY close to the target and every once in a while they would call a hit. How they could tell this is beyond me. Knowing what I know now, time of flight seemed very short After the session they would drive up to the target and looked it over. I think on the first target there was one actual bullet hole that I could see but they claimed that most of their shots were within a foot of the target but did not show any impacts in the dirt to prove it. On the second shooting session they had three shots on the 4-8 sheet of plywood, out of at least 25 that they videoed anyway, likely was much more then that. They were all giving high fives and ataboys because of the three hits on this target and then they go to the "If you practice and invest in good equipment, someday you can shoot this good also!!!" Talk about a load of crap. Shooting at a target at +3000 yards and making predictable, consistant shot placement at that range are two totally different things. Just because you can dial up to that range does not mean you have the rifle that will get the bullet there consistantly. This is not an opinion, its simple physics and that can not be overcome no matter how hard you try to sell it. Yes these guys did make some hits at nearly 2 miles but to me, four hits in +50 shots fired is pathetic!!! All that tells me is that they are relying on 100% random luck to make those hits and it is not repeatable or expected by them, just **** luck. The whole topic here should be about consistancy. We often talk about 1/2 moa consistancy as a standard. At this range, even 2 moa would be **** good, amazing in fact. I have tested what I believe is the more potent long range combo so far we have in a conventional rifle at I can tell you that at 3400 ft elevation, you are still limited to around 3100 yards max range Do some bullets hold stability better then others when they drop out of supersonic velocity, perhaps but they all loose some level of stability and they all are dramatically inconsistant and unpredictable when they do this, some just more then others. Be careful guys, there are many more STORIES out there then facts when talking about +3000 yard shooting. Hell, even +2600 yards is out of the range of 90% of all long range rifles being used today. Has nothing to do with equipment, just simple physics is all, can not get around that. [/QUOTE]
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