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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 235554" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>I have talked with UncleB about this topic alot and on basis I agree with him. The combo used for the 2006 LSOY makes it very hard to believe, for a serious experienced long range shooter, that it was shooting predictably accurate at that range. I know he still stands by that opinion and with all due respect I do as well.</p><p> </p><p>The other comment that weither it takes 5 or 500 shots to accomplish the LSOY is also something that I do not agree with.</p><p> </p><p>This is supposed to be precision shooting. It would be nice if we could limit the LSOY to one shot kills if precision was what we were looking to chronical.</p><p> </p><p>My LSOY award would not even be viable from my own standards. I understand at this range that one shot kills on varmint size targets just is not practical. At +2000 yards, 1/2 moa is not something that we can realistically EXPECT to see. Even 1/2 moa at 2000 yards is 10" groups, thats a big circle for varmint hunting. Many varmints would fit in that circle with alot of air around them for misses. </p><p> </p><p>3/4 moa is about the very best I have seen at 2K with ideal conditions, match grade brass and an extremely skilled shooter. Thats 15" groups, now your talking about the likelihood of more misses then hits.</p><p> </p><p>With 1.5 moa at 2200 yards, 30" groups, the odds of hitting your target are very low, making a killing shot at that range is even rarer.</p><p> </p><p>To many, this does not impress when looking at the accuracy of the rifle and shooter.</p><p> </p><p>UncleB has never said it was not possible and I have never heard him say it did not happen. What he said was that there should be some standards to maintain the reputation of the award.</p><p> </p><p>To many of us, it makes a huge difference if it took 5 shots or 50 shots to make one kill at long range.</p><p> </p><p>I once read a caption of a picture in VH magazine that had a guy with a 223 AI shooting 40 gr Ballistic Tips out of an AR-15 and he had a "small" sized prairie dog that was killed at over 1100 yards........</p><p> </p><p>I think you know what my comment to this would be. How many mags did it take to make this kill???????</p><p> </p><p>Again, not saying your buddy did not make the shot, not at all, just that its highly unlikely that the combo could produce consistant results at that range. Your added information only confirms this.</p><p> </p><p>Maybe we need to include the number of shots it took to make the kill.</p><p> </p><p>Anyway, always like to see long range Video so if you can load it up we would all like to see it.</p><p> </p><p>To get back to the point of the post. At what point did your buddies combo drop out of super sonic velocity?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 235554, member: 10"] I have talked with UncleB about this topic alot and on basis I agree with him. The combo used for the 2006 LSOY makes it very hard to believe, for a serious experienced long range shooter, that it was shooting predictably accurate at that range. I know he still stands by that opinion and with all due respect I do as well. The other comment that weither it takes 5 or 500 shots to accomplish the LSOY is also something that I do not agree with. This is supposed to be precision shooting. It would be nice if we could limit the LSOY to one shot kills if precision was what we were looking to chronical. My LSOY award would not even be viable from my own standards. I understand at this range that one shot kills on varmint size targets just is not practical. At +2000 yards, 1/2 moa is not something that we can realistically EXPECT to see. Even 1/2 moa at 2000 yards is 10" groups, thats a big circle for varmint hunting. Many varmints would fit in that circle with alot of air around them for misses. 3/4 moa is about the very best I have seen at 2K with ideal conditions, match grade brass and an extremely skilled shooter. Thats 15" groups, now your talking about the likelihood of more misses then hits. With 1.5 moa at 2200 yards, 30" groups, the odds of hitting your target are very low, making a killing shot at that range is even rarer. To many, this does not impress when looking at the accuracy of the rifle and shooter. UncleB has never said it was not possible and I have never heard him say it did not happen. What he said was that there should be some standards to maintain the reputation of the award. To many of us, it makes a huge difference if it took 5 shots or 50 shots to make one kill at long range. I once read a caption of a picture in VH magazine that had a guy with a 223 AI shooting 40 gr Ballistic Tips out of an AR-15 and he had a "small" sized prairie dog that was killed at over 1100 yards........ I think you know what my comment to this would be. How many mags did it take to make this kill??????? Again, not saying your buddy did not make the shot, not at all, just that its highly unlikely that the combo could produce consistant results at that range. Your added information only confirms this. Maybe we need to include the number of shots it took to make the kill. Anyway, always like to see long range Video so if you can load it up we would all like to see it. To get back to the point of the post. At what point did your buddies combo drop out of super sonic velocity? [/QUOTE]
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