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<blockquote data-quote="Kevin Thomas" data-source="post: 276577" data-attributes="member: 15748"><p>Well, since everyone's had a big group hug and made up, I feel much safer diving in here. Actually, there's several posters here that have all made good points. Michael is absolutely right in his comments about the 308 being inherently more accurate than the 30-06. This is true right down the line, and case capacity absolutely has a direct relationship to inherent accuracy. A 30-378 is inherently less accurate than a 300 Win mag, which is inherently less accurate than a 30-06, which is inherently less accurate than a 308. This is not to say that the bigger cartridges can't shoot, as they most certainly can. It's just a matter of them taking a bit more work, more care and effort to achieve the similar results. Somewhere around here I've got a prinout of Remington's accuracy records from their custom shop on the 40-X target rifles. Bear in mind that these records were the results of literally several hundred guns in each caliber, all otherwise identical save for chambering. There was a very direct linear correlation between case capacity and average group size over thousands of rifles. Interesting, but not necessarily a deciding factor for me. If I were to build up a LR hunting rifle, I'd want something that could deliver the goods at distance, and accuracy is just <u>one</u> factor in this matter. </p><p></p><p>As for the 308s adoption by the military, there were several who hit right close to the x-ring here; it had to do more wioth a shorter cartridge which allowed a shorter action and thus a more compact weapon. While you and I may see a 308 as have just a few grains less powder and a slightly smaller case than the '06, we're not loading tens of millions of rounds (literally) every day of the week. That few extra grains of powder adds up pretty quickly with numbers like this! Consider that during the height of our Vietnam involvement, Lake City was turning out roughly 21 million rounds of 5.56mm ammo every day. At that point, LC was one of 12 (as I recall) Army Ammunition Plants across the country. Yeah, it adds up fast.</p><p></p><p>Good topic, though, and a lot of intersting posts in this thread!</p><p></p><p>Kevin Thomas</p><p>Berger Bullets</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kevin Thomas, post: 276577, member: 15748"] Well, since everyone's had a big group hug and made up, I feel much safer diving in here. Actually, there's several posters here that have all made good points. Michael is absolutely right in his comments about the 308 being inherently more accurate than the 30-06. This is true right down the line, and case capacity absolutely has a direct relationship to inherent accuracy. A 30-378 is inherently less accurate than a 300 Win mag, which is inherently less accurate than a 30-06, which is inherently less accurate than a 308. This is not to say that the bigger cartridges can't shoot, as they most certainly can. It's just a matter of them taking a bit more work, more care and effort to achieve the similar results. Somewhere around here I've got a prinout of Remington's accuracy records from their custom shop on the 40-X target rifles. Bear in mind that these records were the results of literally several hundred guns in each caliber, all otherwise identical save for chambering. There was a very direct linear correlation between case capacity and average group size over thousands of rifles. Interesting, but not necessarily a deciding factor for me. If I were to build up a LR hunting rifle, I'd want something that could deliver the goods at distance, and accuracy is just [U]one[/U] factor in this matter. As for the 308s adoption by the military, there were several who hit right close to the x-ring here; it had to do more wioth a shorter cartridge which allowed a shorter action and thus a more compact weapon. While you and I may see a 308 as have just a few grains less powder and a slightly smaller case than the '06, we're not loading tens of millions of rounds (literally) every day of the week. That few extra grains of powder adds up pretty quickly with numbers like this! Consider that during the height of our Vietnam involvement, Lake City was turning out roughly 21 million rounds of 5.56mm ammo every day. At that point, LC was one of 12 (as I recall) Army Ammunition Plants across the country. Yeah, it adds up fast. Good topic, though, and a lot of intersting posts in this thread! Kevin Thomas Berger Bullets [/QUOTE]
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