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280 AI replacement for 270 Win.
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<blockquote data-quote="cowboy" data-source="post: 373750" data-attributes="member: 8833"><p>To answer your question - I have used all the above as well as none of the above. I have used a couple of different ballistic programs and have not found a reliable unit for some of the conditions we are in at times. Ex: Our elk camp is at 8500' and a 2 day horse pack trip in. Wall tent has been in same spot for 32 yrs. Have had trips where warm was barely zero and cold was -20. That temp with 3' snow and 10 days and ipods just don't work for me. </p><p>I am not a keyboard commando by any means of the sort and don't mean to start any peeing contests. As a matter of fact I do not consider myself a LRH but I do consider myself long range capable. I have set up rifles for various elevations and use confirmed drop charts mostly when weather will not allow an ipod or equivalent. I also feel very comfortable with the range that I have self imposed on myself for those conditions.</p><p> I have been shooting long range way before it became the in thing. I've tried the holdover methods, Ballistics reticles, dial up methods and for the last 2 years been testing a couple of turrets. They all have their place and there place in my opinion is based on individual equipment and the capability of the nut behind the bolt. </p><p> My comment on don't count on your chronograph being 100% reliable was based on a lot of trigger time compared to the average individual plus the fact that an engineering degree taught me that not everything functions as it was intended 100% of the time. After burning up more barrels than I like to admit chaseing the one hole zero with single digit SD/ES I have developed the opinion that I will use my chronographs constantly but will never overide field testing even if my SD/ES says double digits.</p><p> The 280AI that I am using now showed an ES of 40 and a SD of 15 the last time I checked it on the chronograph with 168VLD's. That same load has been a little lower and a little higher at times past. With that said field testing at 6- 8 and 1000 showed vertical spread much less than the chronograph would have led me to believe. Bottom line is I don't feel the chronograph has the final say in what I'm going to shoot. The chronograph is a VERY valuable tool but it doesn't get final say.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cowboy, post: 373750, member: 8833"] To answer your question - I have used all the above as well as none of the above. I have used a couple of different ballistic programs and have not found a reliable unit for some of the conditions we are in at times. Ex: Our elk camp is at 8500' and a 2 day horse pack trip in. Wall tent has been in same spot for 32 yrs. Have had trips where warm was barely zero and cold was -20. That temp with 3' snow and 10 days and ipods just don't work for me. I am not a keyboard commando by any means of the sort and don't mean to start any peeing contests. As a matter of fact I do not consider myself a LRH but I do consider myself long range capable. I have set up rifles for various elevations and use confirmed drop charts mostly when weather will not allow an ipod or equivalent. I also feel very comfortable with the range that I have self imposed on myself for those conditions. I have been shooting long range way before it became the in thing. I've tried the holdover methods, Ballistics reticles, dial up methods and for the last 2 years been testing a couple of turrets. They all have their place and there place in my opinion is based on individual equipment and the capability of the nut behind the bolt. My comment on don't count on your chronograph being 100% reliable was based on a lot of trigger time compared to the average individual plus the fact that an engineering degree taught me that not everything functions as it was intended 100% of the time. After burning up more barrels than I like to admit chaseing the one hole zero with single digit SD/ES I have developed the opinion that I will use my chronographs constantly but will never overide field testing even if my SD/ES says double digits. The 280AI that I am using now showed an ES of 40 and a SD of 15 the last time I checked it on the chronograph with 168VLD's. That same load has been a little lower and a little higher at times past. With that said field testing at 6- 8 and 1000 showed vertical spread much less than the chronograph would have led me to believe. Bottom line is I don't feel the chronograph has the final say in what I'm going to shoot. The chronograph is a VERY valuable tool but it doesn't get final say. [/QUOTE]
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