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<blockquote data-quote="CRaTxn" data-source="post: 276519" data-attributes="member: 14985"><p>One of the nice things about not buying a new pickup every few years is going to Africa. When you get to kill ( notice I did not say "<span style="color: black"><em>harvest</em></span>" ) 19 one shot kills in a row out to 407 paces (pre laser) with your little ole 7x57 {Karamojo Bell was onto something and from examining one hell of a lot more dead critters than me } you study <em>terminal ballistics</em> in the REAL laboratory. It is about <em><u>shot</u> <u>placement</u></em> with an <strong>ADEQUATE</strong> Bullet. For short range hunting out to 400Y that <strong>ADEQUATE</strong> Bullet is now on the genre of <strong>Barnes </strong>X and its later itterations and copies/patent infringements= Winchester FailSafe etc.. Short range and small frame animals can sometimes be stunned with hydrostatic shock from super magnums that are poorly placed due to recoil induced flinch (though ever so slight in some shooters>>tell you what>>>shoot your .340 Wby off the bench for a <strong>10</strong> shot group and then shoot your .22-250 . If you are the normal man there will be a difference ; it you are a real stud that likes the recoil ...you my friend are in the minority. David Tubbs did not create the 6XC to save gun powder. The number of 1000y 30/338 cal guys in the "lighter" gun category has plummeted while their groups have shrunk by a factor of 3X.</p><p>By the way , I do appreciate the right axe for the big tree; my .375 AI accounted for a large portion of the other 27 animals ( I was allowed by the government game scout to shoot meat for the village of Adunda ) on that Tanzania Safari. I was very proud of hitting a gourd floating in a pool 378 paces / well 368 paces to the waters edge / laying in the branches of a tree up on the high ground and my Christi hit it too / both of us on first shot using the ole Kentucky windage through a 1.5x5 duplex Leupold.</p><p> </p><p> With the Leica bino/rangefinder and the BDC and Turret Tuned scopes let alone the Bors or NF+palm pilot ; things have changed since the days of Elmer Keith. Plus. I am a big lean ( no thick layers of "Decelerator" fat to absorb recoil ) guy that does not get <em>moved </em>by recoil like little man / big hat Keith...and as an old trap shooter I tend to creep a stock and thus end up either absorbing all the recoil or litterly "taking it on the nose" (or eyebrow). IMHAWTOO</p><p>Here in Texas we enjoy the "cross fertilization of ideas" let those Left coast libs call it Bovine Excrement while surely you would recognize BS.</p><p>All to say I appreciate your IMHO for it makes me formulate in words my own reasoning and it's basis in experience. The thought process was stimulating and a lot more enjoyable than listening to talk radio chronicle the Socialization of our Democracy. As little boys we generally fought our rivals, then they became our best friends...lets hope this exchange of pleasantries results in the same. cratxn CR Rains 254-897-7293 If your voice works faster than your fingers like me, give me a gingle and I'll call you back on my dime. Thanks again for your time.</p><p>Somewhere Between Ignorance & Arrogance,</p><p>CR Rains</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CRaTxn, post: 276519, member: 14985"] One of the nice things about not buying a new pickup every few years is going to Africa. When you get to kill ( notice I did not say "[COLOR=black][I]harvest[/I][/COLOR]" ) 19 one shot kills in a row out to 407 paces (pre laser) with your little ole 7x57 {Karamojo Bell was onto something and from examining one hell of a lot more dead critters than me } you study [I]terminal ballistics[/I] in the REAL laboratory. It is about [I][U]shot[/U] [U]placement[/U][/I] with an [B]ADEQUATE[/B] Bullet. For short range hunting out to 400Y that [B]ADEQUATE[/B] Bullet is now on the genre of [B]Barnes [/B]X and its later itterations and copies/patent infringements= Winchester FailSafe etc.. Short range and small frame animals can sometimes be stunned with hydrostatic shock from super magnums that are poorly placed due to recoil induced flinch (though ever so slight in some shooters>>tell you what>>>shoot your .340 Wby off the bench for a [B]10[/B] shot group and then shoot your .22-250 . If you are the normal man there will be a difference ; it you are a real stud that likes the recoil ...you my friend are in the minority. David Tubbs did not create the 6XC to save gun powder. The number of 1000y 30/338 cal guys in the "lighter" gun category has plummeted while their groups have shrunk by a factor of 3X. By the way , I do appreciate the right axe for the big tree; my .375 AI accounted for a large portion of the other 27 animals ( I was allowed by the government game scout to shoot meat for the village of Adunda ) on that Tanzania Safari. I was very proud of hitting a gourd floating in a pool 378 paces / well 368 paces to the waters edge / laying in the branches of a tree up on the high ground and my Christi hit it too / both of us on first shot using the ole Kentucky windage through a 1.5x5 duplex Leupold. With the Leica bino/rangefinder and the BDC and Turret Tuned scopes let alone the Bors or NF+palm pilot ; things have changed since the days of Elmer Keith. Plus. I am a big lean ( no thick layers of "Decelerator" fat to absorb recoil ) guy that does not get [I]moved [/I]by recoil like little man / big hat Keith...and as an old trap shooter I tend to creep a stock and thus end up either absorbing all the recoil or litterly "taking it on the nose" (or eyebrow). IMHAWTOO Here in Texas we enjoy the "cross fertilization of ideas" let those Left coast libs call it Bovine Excrement while surely you would recognize BS. All to say I appreciate your IMHO for it makes me formulate in words my own reasoning and it's basis in experience. The thought process was stimulating and a lot more enjoyable than listening to talk radio chronicle the Socialization of our Democracy. As little boys we generally fought our rivals, then they became our best friends...lets hope this exchange of pleasantries results in the same. cratxn CR Rains 254-897-7293 If your voice works faster than your fingers like me, give me a gingle and I'll call you back on my dime. Thanks again for your time. Somewhere Between Ignorance & Arrogance, CR Rains [/QUOTE]
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