Since the place I work is a distributor for Sierra, I decided to try some of these in my 300 RUM. That is until after the lady that does our ordering called and informed that they were $160 a box /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif!!!! We get some decent discounts but even w/the discounts they were over $100 for 100 bullets!!!! Richard: I know you'll read this @ some point. I guess that's what I get for not being loyal. If nothing else it sure gave me an appreciation for what your doing. I know you'll make me a better bullet @ less than half the price /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif!!!