Broz
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Darn Rich, With close to a .7 BC , over 3K and that accuracy that will be a real hammer in a 30 cal. NICE!! I hope to get to just under 3 k with my 300 win. and the 215's. I get 2995 with the 210's
Jeff
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Darn Rich, With close to a .7 BC , over 3K and that accuracy that will be a real hammer in a 30 cal. NICE!! I hope to get to just under 3 k with my 300 win. and the 215's. I get 2995 with the 210's
Jeff
elkaholic
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Ya, I'm expecting some pretty good things to happen if the elk shows up
I'm going to start testing my SXR's later on this month. They have a little higher B.C. and will expand down to 1300'. That Hybrid accuracy is going to be tough to beat, but I have had some very good results in the past with the SXR's so we will see how this rifle likes them.....Rich
p.s. I got almost 3000' out of the 230 hybrids.....2980', I think it was?
Tumbleweed
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Jeff, I would almost bet money that you will match your 210VLD velocity quite possibly even surpass it with the same pressure levels. The 215 has a much shorter bearing surface due to it's longer boat tail and seems easier to get velocity out of it. Good luck!
trebark
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Here's a real-world example of how effective the redesigned 208 Amax performs on deer....
http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f17/annual-hunting-retreat-amax-review-82434/
elkaholic
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Did some short range (100 yard) terminal ballistics testing this evening with the 215 Berger Hybrids. My goal was to try and simulate what the bullet would encounter striking the shoulder bone of an elk. Everybody knows Bergers aren't any good at close range right?
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Below is the exit hole in wood block just to the right of the quarter
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Tumbleweed.....Please don't take this as a knock on your test or particularly on Berger bullets but there is something I have found in my testing that might make a difference here. First of all, wood, when struck by almost any bullet will hold it together as long as the bullet is confined by the wood. The strength of the wood apparently directs the forces more forward, i.e. the wood will not allow the bullet to come apart. My point being, the elks shoulder bone is not the first thing that the bullet encounters but rather a bunch of meat which allows the bullet to "blow outward" more rapidly. If you were to fire a Berger, or any other expanding bullet, into solid wood thick enough to capture the bullet, you would find the bullet intact. If you fire a Berger into water at that velocity, you will find nothing but "Fairy dust"! Try doing the same test with the bullet traveling 4-5" through soft material (meat, water, etc) then thru your wood (or bone) and then into the water jugs and see if the results are the same? Again, I'm not saying you won't have good results with the Berger, but I'm saying your results may be significantly different. Keep on testing! That's how we learn........Rich
elkaholic
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Tumbleweed.....here is an afterthought. Try putting a milk jug in front of the 4x4 to simulate the soft tissue and then the bone and then add a couple of jugs behind the wood and see what happens? I have not tried this exact test, but I may try it if I get a chance in the near future........rich
trebark
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Sounds like you might need to head to the butcher shop and get yourself a whole pig to shoot!
Tumbleweed
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Thanks Rich. I actually thought about this after doing the test. The meat before the bone. If I get a chance, I may take an old antifreeze jug that's around 4" thick in front of some wood more consistent with the thickness of elk bone (3" hardwood) with jugs behind it and see what we get.
elkaholic
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Post it and let us know. Bullet testing is fun and revealing!
Trebark...I know a guy that did test out a porker (huh Roy)
trebark
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Post it and let us know. Bullet testing is fun and revealing!
Trebark...I know a guy that did test out a porker (huh Roy)
Roy's tests on the pig were just what I was thinking of. Didn't have the time then nor now to do a search to include a link to that thread. As I recall, it includes video!
Tumbleweed
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Ok, here's the updated short range test with the 215 Hybrids. Distance is 100 yards, muzzle velocity is 3185 fps, impact velocity is 3053 fps and impact energy is 4449ft.lbs. In this test I placed a 4.5" jug of water in front of a 2.5" thick piece of dense hard wood. Behind the wood was 2 more jugs full of water.
Below is the set up. Bullet enters at left.
Exit side of first jug.
Exit side of wood block. Bullet cracked block entirely length wise. Exit hole was about 1.5" in a vertical pattern.
This is the entrance side of jug behind block. Bullet was entirely stopped in this jug making it to the the very back side leaving a heavy mark in the plastic of the jug. Third jug was safe.
Below is what I poured out from the second jug directly behind the block. I weighed all pieces and they came to 82.9 grains. The biggest piece of jacket still had a large portion of somewhat mushroomed lead with it and had good penetrating mass.
In this test penetration was obvioustly not as good due to the jug on the front side which simulates hide and muscle before hitting bone. I think this is a realistic test and still would not be afraid to take a shoulder shot on elk at very close range if this is all that was available. I believe the penetration would have destroyed the on side lung. Total penetration to complete bullet stoppage was 11.5". First jug measured 4.5", block measured 2.5" and third jug also measured 4.5". This test would most simulate hitting dead center on shoulder bone or ball joint. I high shoulder shot through the plate would produce all together different results.
Below is the set up. Bullet enters at left.
Exit side of first jug.
Exit side of wood block. Bullet cracked block entirely length wise. Exit hole was about 1.5" in a vertical pattern.
This is the entrance side of jug behind block. Bullet was entirely stopped in this jug making it to the the very back side leaving a heavy mark in the plastic of the jug. Third jug was safe.
Below is what I poured out from the second jug directly behind the block. I weighed all pieces and they came to 82.9 grains. The biggest piece of jacket still had a large portion of somewhat mushroomed lead with it and had good penetrating mass.
In this test penetration was obvioustly not as good due to the jug on the front side which simulates hide and muscle before hitting bone. I think this is a realistic test and still would not be afraid to take a shoulder shot on elk at very close range if this is all that was available. I believe the penetration would have destroyed the on side lung. Total penetration to complete bullet stoppage was 11.5". First jug measured 4.5", block measured 2.5" and third jug also measured 4.5". This test would most simulate hitting dead center on shoulder bone or ball joint. I high shoulder shot through the plate would produce all together different results.
beretzs
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Cool test. Thank you for taking the time and posting the results.
captacademy
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Very impressive!!! Thank you for sharing!
I wouldn't expect short range performance from the 215 hybrid to be different than their 210 VLD. I think they're using the same J4 jackets. Here's how the 210 VLD performed for me on a black bear at less than 10 yards.
http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/berger-210-vld-black-bear-field-report-31392/
http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/berger-210-vld-black-bear-field-report-31392/
