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208 ELDM for elk
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<blockquote data-quote="bomberodevil" data-source="post: 2743900" data-attributes="member: 23175"><p>First of all, congrats on your trip to Africa! It sounds like you had a very successful trip, and that's definitely a bucket list for me. Hope to do it someday.</p><p></p><p>I question your verbiage that the ELDX bullet is not a reliable bullet. I'd say it performed exactly as designed in a very reliable manner. As others had noted, it's a cup-n-core bullet, and it's designed to fragment and cause damage to multiple internal organs and areas. </p><p></p><p>You used it in three elk, two with pass through, all three were recovered (I assume, since you likely would have said if you hadn't recovered). That's pretty reliable. You used it in Africa, and shot multiple medium to larger animals. All were, in your words, "virtual, immediate complete kills". I don't know, but that sounds like a pretty good results. You mentioned that you have zero faith they would penetrate a shoulder or numerous of a larger Africa game animal. That's good, since they aren't designed to do that. I too have low faith of using it to penetrate through a heavy shoulder or humorous bone. </p><p></p><p>We all need to use the correct tool for the job. There is no do-everything bullet, that performs at point blank range the same as out past 500-yards, or through soft tissue heart/lung area vs heavy bone of an African animal. There is no bullet that will open quickly and liquify internal organs that will also bore through heavy shoulder plate bones to then fragment afterwards. That bullet doesn't exist.</p><p></p><p>We have a tremendous selection of projectiles today, and it gives the hunter (and hand loaders) a lot of choices. Cup-n-Core gives us great flight, good penetration, good fragmentation, and high recovery rate when placed correctly. Bonded give us the closest compromise between penetration on heavy bone and good mushrooming/fragmentation, decent flight and good BC. Solid mono bullets give us high penetration through bone, highest chance of penciling with minimum fragmentation and least chance for multiple organ damage. </p><p></p><p>Our first choice is choosing which characteristics we want, because we can't have all in one bullet. Some hunters will carry a magazine of cup-n-core cartridges and a solid/bonded on top for the quick, short range shot. If the shot presented for a longer range, behind the shoulder shot, they take the solid/bonded round out. That's about as versatile as we can get.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bomberodevil, post: 2743900, member: 23175"] First of all, congrats on your trip to Africa! It sounds like you had a very successful trip, and that’s definitely a bucket list for me. Hope to do it someday. I question your verbiage that the ELDX bullet is not a reliable bullet. I’d say it performed exactly as designed in a very reliable manner. As others had noted, it’s a cup-n-core bullet, and it’s designed to fragment and cause damage to multiple internal organs and areas. You used it in three elk, two with pass through, all three were recovered (I assume, since you likely would have said if you hadn’t recovered). That’s pretty reliable. You used it in Africa, and shot multiple medium to larger animals. All were, in your words, “virtual, immediate complete kills”. I don’t know, but that sounds like a pretty good results. You mentioned that you have zero faith they would penetrate a shoulder or numerous of a larger Africa game animal. That’s good, since they aren't designed to do that. I too have low faith of using it to penetrate through a heavy shoulder or humorous bone. We all need to use the correct tool for the job. There is no do-everything bullet, that performs at point blank range the same as out past 500-yards, or through soft tissue heart/lung area vs heavy bone of an African animal. There is no bullet that will open quickly and liquify internal organs that will also bore through heavy shoulder plate bones to then fragment afterwards. That bullet doesn’t exist. We have a tremendous selection of projectiles today, and it gives the hunter (and hand loaders) a lot of choices. Cup-n-Core gives us great flight, good penetration, good fragmentation, and high recovery rate when placed correctly. Bonded give us the closest compromise between penetration on heavy bone and good mushrooming/fragmentation, decent flight and good BC. Solid mono bullets give us high penetration through bone, highest chance of penciling with minimum fragmentation and least chance for multiple organ damage. Our first choice is choosing which characteristics we want, because we can’t have all in one bullet. Some hunters will carry a magazine of cup-n-core cartridges and a solid/bonded on top for the quick, short range shot. If the shot presented for a longer range, behind the shoulder shot, they take the solid/bonded round out. That’s about as versatile as we can get. [/QUOTE]
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