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2013 SHOT Show® Day One (15 Jan 2013)
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<blockquote data-quote="ELR Researcher" data-source="post: 748332" data-attributes="member: 19541"><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="color: #ff0000">2013 SHOT Show® Day One (15 Jan 2013)</span></span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px"> - bits and pieces on the "ELR-related", my take (alpha order). FYI, no pics today, tomorrow is my first floor pic day (code = PT, for pics tomorrow).</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">1. Accuracy International (AI) – they say, the Savage 110 (LA) AICS chassis "is in distribution NOW!" (PT). They say, the PSR system "should be available by Summer".</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2. Ashbury – their "reduced cost" Super-Sport series was heavily displayed, including a "pink" example (PT). Read aluminum vs carbon fiber. Pricing still TBD. A very nice looking 375 CT example was also on display (PT).</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">3. Badger – they are replacing their 2008 action with the new "2013" model. All new builds will be to the 2013 spec. Differences – lighter bolt lift, some weight-reducing profiling, and +$200 to the pricing. A model of the 2013 will also support 338 LM CIP-length mags. They will begin shipping late Feb or early March.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">4. Cadex Defense – nothing "new" BUT they have a "SHOT Show 25% OFF" deal going now through 1/18 on their chassis systems (full line) - <a href="http://www.cadexdefence.com" target="_blank">CADEX DEFENCE</a>. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">5. Defiance Machine:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">a. Was showing their "new" Deviant model in SA/LA – understand it as a Rebel with an integral 20 MOA rail…and an 8-9 week leadtime.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">b. Confirmed their DBM product line is history - once current stocks are sold.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">c. Said the CT and 50 BMG actions went away for cancelled orders and very lack-luster demand. Could the CT model return? Yes, if the customer base steps up. Do not hold your breath.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">6. Desert Tactical – I spoke with honcho Nick Young:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">a. Their very recently released A1 version of their SRS rifle - in a capsule, it provides an adjustable cheekpiece, modular forearm, and softer butt pad (PT). It will start shipping in March.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">b. They announced a scope co-branding deal with Kahles, featuring a DTA-spec'd "Advance Milling Reticle (AMR)" for the K624i 6-24x56 model. The back side of that flyer (reticle display and dims) was barely legible. Some info on the scopes (not the reticle) is available at </span>http://www.deserttacticalarms.com/accessories/optics/scopes.html<span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">c. They will be offering 408 CT and 416 Barrett barrel/bolt combos for the HTI rifle "system" this April. Yes, the HTI is in full production with about a 30 day leadtime.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">d. They will be adding a line of scope rings with integral bases within a few months (PT).</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">e. On the DTM (munitions) side, they will be adding 408 CT and 416 Barrett offerings by Summer.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">7. G.A. Precision (GAP) reaffirmed that all their rifles are "custom" and that they will engage with customers on rifles up to and including those in 50 BMG.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">8. IOR/Valdada – introduced the 5.8-40x56 model scope (40mm tube, 125 MOA elevation (one-hundred and twenty-five MOA), true ED glass from the German optics manufacturer Schott, Zero-Stop, and a price point UNDER the just-released Nightforce B.E.A.S.T, about $3100, MAP. Tentative model name, "Crusader". PT.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">9. J. Allen Enterprises (JAE, <a href="http://www.jae700.com" target="_blank">Manufacturer of Precision Rifle Stocks | J. Allen Enterprises, Inc. (JAE)</a>) – will release a Surgeon 1581XL (read "338 LM capable")-based chassis system mid-year. It will use AI CIP length mags. While they are taking orders now, the projected delivery lead time is 10-12 months.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">10. Oakwood Controls (VA) – showcased a radio frequency (OFDM)-based "electronic target solution for long range shooting" (Electronic Target System 1000). By "long range" they mean out to 20km (no typo, twenty kilometers)! It consist of:</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">a. A modular target frame with multiple acoustic sensors, and a fairly simple plastic corrugated target area ("something to shoot at", 24", or 36", or 72" square), </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">b. A downrange "yellow box" sending unit cabled to the target frame, </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">c. A radio receiver, </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">d. A software application for instant display of captured data (shot number, x-y coordinates of each shot location (relative to the center of the target) on a PC-based simulated target image, plus a bunch more), and </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">e. (Currently) a ruggedized laptop PC. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">NOTE – the round MUST still be supersonic as it passes the location of the sensors within the target frame, and they need the projectile diameter to "accurately" portray the shots on the screen. Shot position accuracy claimed within 2mm. The sensors could be positioned into a horizontal area about 4-5" high which MUST be protected (name your "protection" given your application – not provided). The frame is NOT ruggedized but "is relatively inexpensive to repair/replace" if its damaged.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">While they do have a website (</span>http://www.electronictargets.com<span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">), it has very minimal info, asking you to e-mail them for more. The flyer they had in the booth and the website say out to 1000 yards. Actually, the flyer says, "…at distances even beyond 1000 yards." That was my first question, they replied (as note above), "out to 20km".</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Final note, the "current system" (with the ruggedized laptop and extensive suite - and used by the military and major arms manufacturers) runs in the $10-15K area…BUT by May they expect to offer a "personal" system with 36" target and software (no ruggedized laptop) for about $5K. I asked if the "personal" system could support multiple downrange targets but was advised it will be one-to-one only. Quite unclear whether they have put much time into considering "multiples".</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">11. RUAG – in case you didn't know it, they produce 338 LM ammo (and 50 BMG ammo – and 50 BMG case and primer components). Mr. John Mullins, VP of Government and Law Enforcement Sales for the US, advised they will accept retail orders for min quantity of 200 rounds of the 338 products in the ball and target versions. [No soap for any of the 50 BMG products.] He is the contact (<a href="http://www.ruag-usa.com" target="_blank">RUAG Ammotec USA, Inc. | Always aim for perfection</a>).</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">12. Rock Creek – notwithstanding a recent home page announcement that they have stopped accepting cut rifling barrel orders, Mike Rock personally advised that they will accept orders from prior and current customers (NOT new customers), warning that there will be no leadtime commitment. They will fit you into the schedule as best they can.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">13. Safety Harbor – within a very few months they will begin offering 338 LM versions of their AR15 upper conversions, single shot and mag-fed (CIP length). They will be doing their own mags.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">14. Serbu – they are in production of their BFG-50A semi-auto 50 BMG rifle with a three month leadtime for rifles and a three week leadtime for receivers. I asked about a 50 DTC version for CA and they said they have already delivered one (1) - a non-trivial "arrangement" is required (IMHO).</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><span style="font-size: 10px">15. Vortex – has added a 10 MRAD/turn version of their Razor HD 5-20x50 FFP model scope.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ELR Researcher, post: 748332, member: 19541"] [B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2][COLOR=#ff0000]2013 SHOT Show® Day One (15 Jan 2013)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2] - bits and pieces on the “ELR-related”, my take (alpha order). FYI, no pics today, tomorrow is my first floor pic day (code = PT, for pics tomorrow).[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]1. Accuracy International (AI) – they say, the Savage 110 (LA) AICS chassis “is in distribution NOW!” (PT). They say, the PSR system “should be available by Summer”.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]2. Ashbury – their “reduced cost” Super-Sport series was heavily displayed, including a “pink” example (PT). Read aluminum vs carbon fiber. Pricing still TBD. A very nice looking 375 CT example was also on display (PT).[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]3. Badger – they are replacing their 2008 action with the new “2013” model. All new builds will be to the 2013 spec. 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Yes, the HTI is in full production with about a 30 day leadtime.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]d. They will be adding a line of scope rings with integral bases within a few months (PT).[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]e. On the DTM (munitions) side, they will be adding 408 CT and 416 Barrett offerings by Summer.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]7. G.A. Precision (GAP) reaffirmed that all their rifles are “custom” and that they will engage with customers on rifles up to and including those in 50 BMG.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]8. IOR/Valdada – introduced the 5.8-40x56 model scope (40mm tube, 125 MOA elevation (one-hundred and twenty-five MOA), true ED glass from the German optics manufacturer Schott, Zero-Stop, and a price point UNDER the just-released Nightforce B.E.A.S.T, about $3100, MAP. Tentative model name, “Crusader”. PT.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]9. J. Allen Enterprises (JAE, [URL="http://www.jae700.com"]Manufacturer of Precision Rifle Stocks | J. Allen Enterprises, Inc. (JAE)[/URL]) – will release a Surgeon 1581XL (read “338 LM capable”)-based chassis system mid-year. It will use AI CIP length mags. While they are taking orders now, the projected delivery lead time is 10-12 months.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]10. Oakwood Controls (VA) – showcased a radio frequency (OFDM)-based “electronic target solution for long range shooting” (Electronic Target System 1000). By “long range” they mean out to 20km (no typo, twenty kilometers)! It consist of:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]a. A modular target frame with multiple acoustic sensors, and a fairly simple plastic corrugated target area (“something to shoot at”, 24”, or 36”, or 72” square), [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]b. A downrange “yellow box” sending unit cabled to the target frame, [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]c. A radio receiver, [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]d. A software application for instant display of captured data (shot number, x-y coordinates of each shot location (relative to the center of the target) on a PC-based simulated target image, plus a bunch more), and [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]e. (Currently) a ruggedized laptop PC. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]NOTE – the round MUST still be supersonic as it passes the location of the sensors within the target frame, and they need the projectile diameter to “accurately” portray the shots on the screen. Shot position accuracy claimed within 2mm. The sensors could be positioned into a horizontal area about 4-5” high which MUST be protected (name your “protection” given your application – not provided). The frame is NOT ruggedized but “is relatively inexpensive to repair/replace” if its damaged.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=2][FONT=Trebuchet MS]While they do have a website ([/FONT]http://www.electronictargets.com[FONT=Trebuchet MS]), it has very minimal info, asking you to e-mail them for more. The flyer they had in the booth and the website say out to 1000 yards. Actually, the flyer says, “…at distances even beyond 1000 yards.” That was my first question, they replied (as note above), “out to 20km”.[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]Final note, the “current system” (with the ruggedized laptop and extensive suite - and used by the military and major arms manufacturers) runs in the $10-15K area…BUT by May they expect to offer a “personal” system with 36” target and software (no ruggedized laptop) for about $5K. I asked if the “personal” system could support multiple downrange targets but was advised it will be one-to-one only. Quite unclear whether they have put much time into considering “multiples”.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]11. RUAG – in case you didn’t know it, they produce 338 LM ammo (and 50 BMG ammo – and 50 BMG case and primer components). Mr. John Mullins, VP of Government and Law Enforcement Sales for the US, advised they will accept retail orders for min quantity of 200 rounds of the 338 products in the ball and target versions. [No soap for any of the 50 BMG products.] He is the contact ([URL="http://www.ruag-usa.com"]RUAG Ammotec USA, Inc. | Always aim for perfection[/URL]).[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]12. Rock Creek – notwithstanding a recent home page announcement that they have stopped accepting cut rifling barrel orders, Mike Rock personally advised that they will accept orders from prior and current customers (NOT new customers), warning that there will be no leadtime commitment. They will fit you into the schedule as best they can.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]13. Safety Harbor – within a very few months they will begin offering 338 LM versions of their AR15 upper conversions, single shot and mag-fed (CIP length). They will be doing their own mags.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]14. Serbu – they are in production of their BFG-50A semi-auto 50 BMG rifle with a three month leadtime for rifles and a three week leadtime for receivers. I asked about a 50 DTC version for CA and they said they have already delivered one (1) - a non-trivial “arrangement” is required (IMHO).[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Trebuchet MS][SIZE=2]15. Vortex – has added a 10 MRAD/turn version of their Razor HD 5-20x50 FFP model scope.[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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