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<blockquote data-quote="slipknot" data-source="post: 1593214" data-attributes="member: 37188"><p>Hi, </p><p>You have to ask yourself the following questions:</p><p>1. Do you live in elk country? Will your license be an easily obtainable resident state license? Are Lotteries involved? If you miss getting it in year 1, is it guaranteed in year 2?</p><p>2. Will this be the equivalent of an very expensive vacation? Requiring licensed guides, by horseback into the higher elevations in Rockies from the guides ranch, which usually includes packing in for a few days at 10,000' as well, tent, sleeping bags, extreme cold, the whole deal?</p><p>3. What's the terrain? What's your point blank range of the typical shot. And yes, you'll only be getting 1 shot- I'll answer that: point blank through trees spaced a foot apart, ( so close you can't figure out how the bulls can get their racks through, while they are charging down</p><p>the mountain with their herd of cows, when your guide drives them), to clear cuts 400 yards away, or on the next mountain, when you have to play find the bull amongst his massive entourage of ladies, and lesser males, if they are allowed to hand out?</p><p>4. Rifle: light, super fast handling, must point even faster, as well as be impervious to cold and wet or to dropping, should you, or it, take a spill.....and horse proof, as it will be residing, in a coarse, utilitarian, leather, scabbard as it's transported up to the higher elevations where the elk are.......</p><p>5. Recoil: that's immaterial: you'll never feel it, the once or twice you'll get to pull them trigger, when that once in a lifetime, walking or running, 4' Rack, is finally centered in your scope and your heart rate is at 150, and your trying to thread a needle through the trees.....</p><p></p><p>My first elkhult in the Wyoming Rockies, many years ago, was a lifetime lesson. The rifle I thought necessary to give me at least an even chance, turned out to be the perfect rifle, for everything described above.</p><p></p><p>-Once upon a time, Remington announced their 338WM Classic! Having several 700's since my teens, and with a planned Wyoming Elk hunt, getting that Classic, was a no- brained! I was the 1st kid on the block, to get one! Look up the year it was made, and you'll know how far back this story goes!</p><p>-Kelly MacMillan made me a 1 of a kind, custom Weatherby Mark V synthetic stock, to fit that Rem 700 bbl'ed action. The fit to the action, (free floated bbl to my spec), the fit to my face, the alignment of my eyewith the 3.5x10 Leupold that it wore, makes me open a box of Kleenex, as I write this.</p><p>-The Canjar trigger I installed, set slightly heavier than My fingers pulse , completed the equation. Short Harris bipod, of course.</p><p>-225 Partitions flattened the catapult trajectory of the stock 250's, and (back then) could be loaded hotter (than today's reloading guides that do double duty as law journals), and it was a given that it would perform perfectly even if moving in slow motion, if I dare take that PO Ackley shot across a canyon, (but I didn't have to).</p><p>-3 ragged .34" holes touching @ 100 yds all day long, when I worked up the loads.</p><p></p><p>Sorry, You're not building a custom, bench rest rifle, in some exotic, sub MOA, 1000 yd caliber, whose round needs a machine shop to build, and that needs a cleaning rod pushed through the bore after each shot. </p><p>An Elk rifle should be come an appendage, like your arm, and move into action as quickly as your arm, and be able to do its business with 1 squeeze!</p><p></p><p>My Rem 700/ Mark V McMillan looks and shoots today, as it did when built, and when all Rem 700's, with their amazing stock, adjustable trigger, would do MOA right out of the box, with factory ammo, even on a "bad hair day." I hope this helps</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="slipknot, post: 1593214, member: 37188"] Hi, You have to ask yourself the following questions: 1. Do you live in elk country? Will your license be an easily obtainable resident state license? Are Lotteries involved? If you miss getting it in year 1, is it guaranteed in year 2? 2. Will this be the equivalent of an very expensive vacation? Requiring licensed guides, by horseback into the higher elevations in Rockies from the guides ranch, which usually includes packing in for a few days at 10,000’ as well, tent, sleeping bags, extreme cold, the whole deal? 3. What’s the terrain? What’s your point blank range of the typical shot. And yes, you’ll only be getting 1 shot- I’ll answer that: point blank through trees spaced a foot apart, ( so close you can’t figure out how the bulls can get their racks through, while they are charging down the mountain with their herd of cows, when your guide drives them), to clear cuts 400 yards away, or on the next mountain, when you have to play find the bull amongst his massive entourage of ladies, and lesser males, if they are allowed to hand out? 4. Rifle: light, super fast handling, must point even faster, as well as be impervious to cold and wet or to dropping, should you, or it, take a spill.....and horse proof, as it will be residing, in a coarse, utilitarian, leather, scabbard as it’s transported up to the higher elevations where the elk are....... 5. Recoil: that’s immaterial: you’ll never feel it, the once or twice you’ll get to pull them trigger, when that once in a lifetime, walking or running, 4’ Rack, is finally centered in your scope and your heart rate is at 150, and your trying to thread a needle through the trees..... My first elkhult in the Wyoming Rockies, many years ago, was a lifetime lesson. The rifle I thought necessary to give me at least an even chance, turned out to be the perfect rifle, for everything described above. -Once upon a time, Remington announced their 338WM Classic! Having several 700’s since my teens, and with a planned Wyoming Elk hunt, getting that Classic, was a no- brained! I was the 1st kid on the block, to get one! Look up the year it was made, and you’ll know how far back this story goes! -Kelly MacMillan made me a 1 of a kind, custom Weatherby Mark V synthetic stock, to fit that Rem 700 bbl’ed action. The fit to the action, (free floated bbl to my spec), the fit to my face, the alignment of my eyewith the 3.5x10 Leupold that it wore, makes me open a box of Kleenex, as I write this. -The Canjar trigger I installed, set slightly heavier than My fingers pulse , completed the equation. Short Harris bipod, of course. -225 Partitions flattened the catapult trajectory of the stock 250’s, and (back then) could be loaded hotter (than today’s reloading guides that do double duty as law journals), and it was a given that it would perform perfectly even if moving in slow motion, if I dare take that PO Ackley shot across a canyon, (but I didn’t have to). -3 ragged .34” holes touching @ 100 yds all day long, when I worked up the loads. Sorry, You’re not building a custom, bench rest rifle, in some exotic, sub MOA, 1000 yd caliber, whose round needs a machine shop to build, and that needs a cleaning rod pushed through the bore after each shot. An Elk rifle should be come an appendage, like your arm, and move into action as quickly as your arm, and be able to do its business with 1 squeeze! My Rem 700/ Mark V McMillan looks and shoots today, as it did when built, and when all Rem 700’s, with their amazing stock, adjustable trigger, would do MOA right out of the box, with factory ammo, even on a “bad hair day.” I hope this helps [/QUOTE]
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