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1911 Kaboom! Diagnosis help? (and always wear eye pro!).
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<blockquote data-quote="freddiej" data-source="post: 2141059" data-attributes="member: 26227"><p>Entoptics,</p><p>So much material so little time.</p><p></p><p>The trashy ammo is to blame. double charged case will blow up just like your pic. I am going to accuse Unique or Bullseye on this one. prior experience is to blame for this judgement.</p><p></p><p>now as for your complaint of the unsupported case, the case is thickest that last 1/10" before the extraction groove. you have what looks to be a unmolested/untouched barrel. then comparing it to a G-23 barrel/chamber. I suggest you take a hard look at the bottom of the chamber on that gun. you will find the case has nearly 1/16" clearance on the bottom of the chamber(AKA unsupported case) by design. then the S&W, that is maybe a little better than the Glock but not much. these two guns other than the 1911 you refer to have larger, wider chambers than the 1911 by design and by design have laterally unsupported chambers for reliability. I've seen in my business/shop many more blown up Glocks and S&W's over 1911 for the very reason your 1911 blew up. yesterday (March 5th 2021) I have a Glock 10MM come in with a detonated case in it. the case looked worse than yours. Case head was gone, rest of the case had to be reamed out of the chamber due to it being melted to the chamber walls. The plastic frame was cracked to oblivion. all this was due to someone double charging a cartridge (11.4 grains of Bullseye). it does not matter what the gun is, it will fail in some way to damage the shooter the least. that is how the 1911 was designed in 1910, that is how the Glock was designed along with most all handguns. the glock was designed to blow out the bottom of the chamber as was the S&W. the weak points of all plastic framed guns is the underside of the barrels so they do not blow up and out of the ejection port. hence containing the explosion inside the gun. </p><p>your observation of the chamber designs needs to be a little upgraded to include the shape of the chamber in cross section. most all plastic framed guns have an egg shaped chamber. that is for the most part unsupported without looking like it. Have you ever heard of the "Glock buldge"? if not look it up. it's on every case fired from a standard glock barrel. Lee makes what they call a "Glock case bulge buster" to correct that bulge from the glock chamber so they can be reloaded and fired in other chambers. the glock chamber also makes a weakspot in the case such that the case can never be fored in another Glock ever again. it might seem I am downing Glock, I am not. I am giving just the information you need to know to understand there is weaknesses in every gun design out there for every shooter's safety. </p><p>Your 1911 contained the explosion the way it was designed to.</p><p>Your Glock would do it in other ways</p><p>Your S&W would do it in similar ways to your Glock</p><p>My FN will do it in a similar way to the Glock as well</p><p>My 1911's will contain the failure in the same way yours did. </p><p>You can get fully, truly fully supported chambered 1911 barrels. they come in many 9MMs, Super 38, 40 S&W, 10MM, 45 ACP, 45 Super, 460 Rolland. If you want to. Go to a Gunsmith and have one installed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="freddiej, post: 2141059, member: 26227"] Entoptics, So much material so little time. The trashy ammo is to blame. double charged case will blow up just like your pic. I am going to accuse Unique or Bullseye on this one. prior experience is to blame for this judgement. now as for your complaint of the unsupported case, the case is thickest that last 1/10" before the extraction groove. you have what looks to be a unmolested/untouched barrel. then comparing it to a G-23 barrel/chamber. I suggest you take a hard look at the bottom of the chamber on that gun. you will find the case has nearly 1/16" clearance on the bottom of the chamber(AKA unsupported case) by design. then the S&W, that is maybe a little better than the Glock but not much. these two guns other than the 1911 you refer to have larger, wider chambers than the 1911 by design and by design have laterally unsupported chambers for reliability. I've seen in my business/shop many more blown up Glocks and S&W's over 1911 for the very reason your 1911 blew up. yesterday (March 5th 2021) I have a Glock 10MM come in with a detonated case in it. the case looked worse than yours. Case head was gone, rest of the case had to be reamed out of the chamber due to it being melted to the chamber walls. The plastic frame was cracked to oblivion. all this was due to someone double charging a cartridge (11.4 grains of Bullseye). it does not matter what the gun is, it will fail in some way to damage the shooter the least. that is how the 1911 was designed in 1910, that is how the Glock was designed along with most all handguns. the glock was designed to blow out the bottom of the chamber as was the S&W. the weak points of all plastic framed guns is the underside of the barrels so they do not blow up and out of the ejection port. hence containing the explosion inside the gun. your observation of the chamber designs needs to be a little upgraded to include the shape of the chamber in cross section. most all plastic framed guns have an egg shaped chamber. that is for the most part unsupported without looking like it. Have you ever heard of the "Glock buldge"? if not look it up. it's on every case fired from a standard glock barrel. Lee makes what they call a "Glock case bulge buster" to correct that bulge from the glock chamber so they can be reloaded and fired in other chambers. the glock chamber also makes a weakspot in the case such that the case can never be fored in another Glock ever again. it might seem I am downing Glock, I am not. I am giving just the information you need to know to understand there is weaknesses in every gun design out there for every shooter's safety. Your 1911 contained the explosion the way it was designed to. Your Glock would do it in other ways Your S&W would do it in similar ways to your Glock My FN will do it in a similar way to the Glock as well My 1911's will contain the failure in the same way yours did. You can get fully, truly fully supported chambered 1911 barrels. they come in many 9MMs, Super 38, 40 S&W, 10MM, 45 ACP, 45 Super, 460 Rolland. If you want to. Go to a Gunsmith and have one installed. [/QUOTE]
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