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<blockquote data-quote="Coyboy" data-source="post: 449976" data-attributes="member: 3733"><p>I have used the 210 in a 300 rum and the 180 in the 7 rum. From my experience I tell customers if they hunt with a berger keep the bullet off of HEAVY bone.</p><p></p><p>2 seasons ago I shot a large muley buck (perfect broadside)square on the knucle of the scapula, that large massive ball and socket joint. The shot was 826 yards and that bullet detonated at impact with the knucle. The buck took a few leaps and stood broadside once more. My partner called a correction and the second bullet fired aproximatly 60 seconds later went high shoulder, penciled thru the "fan" of the shoulder blade and then took out a vertabray or two, with the bullet core mostly exiting the far side.</p><p></p><p>Upon disecting the first shot we found a mess of bullet frag in the shoulder meat, the lungs were near normal condition other than a few small frag holes/channels, at least one rib under the shoulder was cracked. The knucle was in about 4-5 large pieces.</p><p>It looked as if the bone mass acted as a catchers mit and sucked in the bullet energy, absorbing the impact and compressing the chest. (my impression not science based)</p><p></p><p>I have seen 140 bergers do very well punching thru rib cages and making quick kills. That is where I will try to place all berger bullets, when hunting. </p><p></p><p>I had one similar results with 140 a-maxes 300 yard quartering to me shot, hit the knucle, but at that angle and being a smaller mule deer it transfered enough bone frag thru the lungs that the bullet fraging on the knucle still produced a 5 second death run. </p><p></p><p>My 210 berger on a very large muley buck at 550 was the worst of the lot and taught me a good lesson. It had rained earlier and the buck was feeding and drying off. I aimed for a mid shoulder, (first mistake) at impact I could see a very visable halo of water vapor come off what apeared to be the shoulder area. The buck tipped right over, I heard a very audible bullet smack. And the buck was then hidden by the high brush of the alpine meadow. I watched for a few minutes and seen no movement so I had a very short walk to camp to round up a little help. Well one hour later the buck was not in the spot I left him. He apeared to crawl away about 15 feet. Then recovered all 4 hoves and departed from the sceen. 3 men and 2+ hours of trailing and grid searches revealed little to no blood and no animal. </p><p></p><p>I have thought about this long and hard and my only conclusion is one of two things. A knucle shot that needed a follow up to perminatly incapasitate the deer, or a just nicked the top of the spine and caused temporary poralasis. From the very audible smack of the bullet impact I have always leaned toward the knucle senario.</p><p></p><p>So until some one manf. the perfect bullet I'm going back to aiming for solid double lung shots only. My friends still tease me about my unlucky knucle hits.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Coyboy, post: 449976, member: 3733"] I have used the 210 in a 300 rum and the 180 in the 7 rum. From my experience I tell customers if they hunt with a berger keep the bullet off of HEAVY bone. 2 seasons ago I shot a large muley buck (perfect broadside)square on the knucle of the scapula, that large massive ball and socket joint. The shot was 826 yards and that bullet detonated at impact with the knucle. The buck took a few leaps and stood broadside once more. My partner called a correction and the second bullet fired aproximatly 60 seconds later went high shoulder, penciled thru the "fan" of the shoulder blade and then took out a vertabray or two, with the bullet core mostly exiting the far side. Upon disecting the first shot we found a mess of bullet frag in the shoulder meat, the lungs were near normal condition other than a few small frag holes/channels, at least one rib under the shoulder was cracked. The knucle was in about 4-5 large pieces. It looked as if the bone mass acted as a catchers mit and sucked in the bullet energy, absorbing the impact and compressing the chest. (my impression not science based) I have seen 140 bergers do very well punching thru rib cages and making quick kills. That is where I will try to place all berger bullets, when hunting. I had one similar results with 140 a-maxes 300 yard quartering to me shot, hit the knucle, but at that angle and being a smaller mule deer it transfered enough bone frag thru the lungs that the bullet fraging on the knucle still produced a 5 second death run. My 210 berger on a very large muley buck at 550 was the worst of the lot and taught me a good lesson. It had rained earlier and the buck was feeding and drying off. I aimed for a mid shoulder, (first mistake) at impact I could see a very visable halo of water vapor come off what apeared to be the shoulder area. The buck tipped right over, I heard a very audible bullet smack. And the buck was then hidden by the high brush of the alpine meadow. I watched for a few minutes and seen no movement so I had a very short walk to camp to round up a little help. Well one hour later the buck was not in the spot I left him. He apeared to crawl away about 15 feet. Then recovered all 4 hoves and departed from the sceen. 3 men and 2+ hours of trailing and grid searches revealed little to no blood and no animal. I have thought about this long and hard and my only conclusion is one of two things. A knucle shot that needed a follow up to perminatly incapasitate the deer, or a just nicked the top of the spine and caused temporary poralasis. From the very audible smack of the bullet impact I have always leaned toward the knucle senario. So until some one manf. the perfect bullet I'm going back to aiming for solid double lung shots only. My friends still tease me about my unlucky knucle hits. [/QUOTE]
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