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<blockquote data-quote="RT2506" data-source="post: 261844" data-attributes="member: 10178"><p>bowhunthard: I agree with you on the spine shot. Most people do not know that the spine of a deer lays behind the top 1/3 of a deers shoulder blades. I have never seen one of those deer targets that has the vitals outlined that have the spine angle right. Most have it too high up on the animal. I think the bad rap of the Nosler ballistic tips that some refer to is from when they first came out with them. They were too thinly constricted when they first came out. They were extreamily accurate but they would go through the hide of a deer and expload and the deer would run off a ways and not leave a blood trail. This was my experience with the 30 cal. 150's from a 30-06. I would not use a BT for years after that. I did not know that when they went to putting them in the 50 count boxes that they had changed the bullet and made it thicker toward the base. It is a very good deer bullet now. The other reason for the bad rap on the BT is like you said, bad bullet placement and bad shooting and too little experience using it. Most people will base their bad rap on one or two at the most examples. If I did that I would say that the 30 cal. 155 Berger VLD is the worst deer killing bullet that was ever made because of the only deer that I have shot with one this past year. 112 yards perfect front shoulder broad side shot and the deer just took off running and went 50 yards over into a very think cutover and left no blood trail. But upon finding the deer it had a baseball size exit hole and the vitals were mush. You could not ask more of a bullet. I had this also happen this year for the first in over 150 deer shot with a 25-06 and a 117 Sierra. Same crossing of a log road the above deer was at 112 yards away. It was a perfect front shoulder broad side shot and like normal the deer bounced it hit the ground so hard. But! That deer got up off the ground and took off like a shot and went about 50 yards back into the cutover before dropping. Some deer are just plain tough and do not want to die even though they are dead one nanno-second after the bullet strikes them. I now use the Nosler ballistic tips in many of my deer hunting rifles. 125's in 308 & 30X47HBR, 120's in 6.5X55 and am going to give them a try in my new 264 mag. next year. I did use the 130's in a 270 until I traided it for the 264 mag. I hunt in east NC where the deer run 80 to 175 pounds average.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RT2506, post: 261844, member: 10178"] bowhunthard: I agree with you on the spine shot. Most people do not know that the spine of a deer lays behind the top 1/3 of a deers shoulder blades. I have never seen one of those deer targets that has the vitals outlined that have the spine angle right. Most have it too high up on the animal. I think the bad rap of the Nosler ballistic tips that some refer to is from when they first came out with them. They were too thinly constricted when they first came out. They were extreamily accurate but they would go through the hide of a deer and expload and the deer would run off a ways and not leave a blood trail. This was my experience with the 30 cal. 150's from a 30-06. I would not use a BT for years after that. I did not know that when they went to putting them in the 50 count boxes that they had changed the bullet and made it thicker toward the base. It is a very good deer bullet now. The other reason for the bad rap on the BT is like you said, bad bullet placement and bad shooting and too little experience using it. Most people will base their bad rap on one or two at the most examples. If I did that I would say that the 30 cal. 155 Berger VLD is the worst deer killing bullet that was ever made because of the only deer that I have shot with one this past year. 112 yards perfect front shoulder broad side shot and the deer just took off running and went 50 yards over into a very think cutover and left no blood trail. But upon finding the deer it had a baseball size exit hole and the vitals were mush. You could not ask more of a bullet. I had this also happen this year for the first in over 150 deer shot with a 25-06 and a 117 Sierra. Same crossing of a log road the above deer was at 112 yards away. It was a perfect front shoulder broad side shot and like normal the deer bounced it hit the ground so hard. But! That deer got up off the ground and took off like a shot and went about 50 yards back into the cutover before dropping. Some deer are just plain tough and do not want to die even though they are dead one nanno-second after the bullet strikes them. I now use the Nosler ballistic tips in many of my deer hunting rifles. 125's in 308 & 30X47HBR, 120's in 6.5X55 and am going to give them a try in my new 264 mag. next year. I did use the 130's in a 270 until I traided it for the 264 mag. I hunt in east NC where the deer run 80 to 175 pounds average. [/QUOTE]
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