1500 yd PD Attempt: Take 3

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  1. bailey1474

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    Well, Lerch and I decided that the conditions just weren't going to get much better, so we set out Saturday to acheive the next leg in VHA's downrange clubs.

    After a few minor hangups (this having a kid thing sure does make me late to alot of things), we finally arrived @ our perch. Winds were light for around here (5-10 mph) and the temp was about 55 degrees.

    We were going to try and use the Wilde a little more and actually range each individual dog we were going to be shooting. After a quick calibration check, we went to work. I sent the first few round down range and it was clear that either we were not running near the velocity we had been (b/c of the temp) or our ranging was off. Even though something wasn't right, it seemed to be consistant so we figured out a method to the madness and were soon very close to dogs on the first shot.

    I don't know how many dogs we missed by less than 6" inches but I would say that 50% of our shots got this close!! The proble is, the little suckers are so skiddish that they run @ the sight of an impact cloud. Maybe it has something to do w/people like the jackass we saw shooting them from the road. He paid no attention to us and just parked his truck in the road and started banging away. When he had scared all the dogs there, he would just pull up a little and start over. We honked and waived but to no avail. I wanted to put one of those 169.5 WCs about 50 yds in front of him in the road but decided that might not be the best thing to do.

    Anyway, I managed to spot a dog on the hillside that is far from the road. There aren't many dogs on that hill but you can usually get a few shots @ the same one before he scurries down a hole. Lerch got a range and I let one fly. High, dangit. I made the adjustments and let another go. I kicked dirt on the little sucker and he didn't even move!!! I quickly sent another one downrange and it was just as close as the other shot but he disappeared down a hole only to appear a few seconds later. I gave it one last try and as the bullet impacted and the impact cloud cleared, Lerch and I sat in total silence. It appeared as if the dog was lying dead on the mound!!! I had done it!! I was more exited about this than most deer I had killed!!

    After much deliberation we decided that we should walk over and take some pics and get an exact range w/the Swaro off the truck. I strapped the 17 lb 270 AM to my back and Lerch grabbed the camera and the Swaro. Many steps later, and pretty dang tired, we arived @ what we thought was the mound. There was a clear bulliet impact on it but no dog!!! I don't know what we were seeing through the spotter but it was not a dead pd. We went ahead and ranged the truck anyway and as it turned out, it was only 1465 yds. I think I would have been more upset if I would have killed it only to find that it was 45 yds short.

    We made the almost 1 mile trek back to the truck and tried a few more shots but luck just wasn't on our side. All in all it was a good day and I learned that Wilde was going to be very tough to use on pds in heavy mirage. That little sucker just jumps around. It's very hard to tell when he is exactly lined up.

    We were also very impressed w/the consistancy were getting from the 270 AMs. I have no doubt they were shooting sub MOA from 1500-1700 yds!!! They were head and shoulders above my 300 RUM when we got over 1600 yds. That seems to be about the limit for the 300 but the 270s just keep on keepin' on even @ that range. If those dang dogs were just the size of milk jugs and not beer cans we would have killed several!!!! Oh well, next time it will happen (that sounds awful familiar)!!!

    I had some pics but lost them on the computer /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif. If I can find them, I'll post them.
     
  2. Buffalobob

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    you need to feed those critters better and they will get fat and make bigger targets.

    P.S. Welcome to parenthood. As they get older they take up more of your time not less.
     

  3. 4ked Horn

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    As they get older they take up more of your time not less.

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    This can be a good thing. We just got our 7 year old a motorcycle for Christmas. Now guess who is in charge of taping the holes on the long range paper targets. A helmet, a motorcycle, a roll of tape and a walkietalkie. What could make a dad happier? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
     
  4. bailey1474

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    you need to feed those critters better and they will get fat and make bigger targets.

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    You know, I've thought about this. What if a guy took a sack of corn and dumped it out 1520 yds from our bench? Maybe they would keep coming back to that spot so the range would not be an issue. May have to try it!!
     
  5. ss7mm

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    Bill:

    Sounds like you're getting closer. The 'ol 270 AM is up to the task, but maybe you need a little more to buck the wind better. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

    We're up here hunting critters in the snow and you're down there in the banana belt hunting PDs. All the little critters up here are way underground trying to stay warm.

    Even if you fattened them up they'd still be an awfully small target. Keep it up, it's just a matter of time.
     
  6. Fiftydriver

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    Bill Bailey,

    Hitting a target at that range has alot to do with luck as you well know. And thats coming from the guy that built your rifles.

    You are beginning to see why I much prefer chucks to prairie dogs for extreme range shooting. An average chuck will weigh around 5 to 6 lbs with our big ones pushing 10 lbs. The biggest we have ever taken was an honest 16 lbs!!!

    Now the bigger ones are basically the same size as a domestic house cat but with shorter legs!!! That is a hell of alot bigger target then a P. Dog!!!

    Keep at it, it will happen!!

    Its kind of like bow hunters looking to robin hood their first arrow at 30 yards. I shot archery gear for 5 years and got pretty damn good before I robin hooded my first one. Funny thing, a week after that I did it again, two more times!!! Since then I have yet to do it since, its all luck and it can come all at once or spaced very far apart!!!

    Your doing the right thing, keep doing it, keep learning and stick with it, it will happen I assure you.

    Kirby Allen(50)
     
  7. 41mag

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    Nice report Bill. You fellows are sure making my mouth water on getting behind one of Kirby's AM's. Those hogs won't know what hit them. LOL

    As for your new one. Well as has been said, the older they get the more time they take up. Fortunately it isn't a bad thing when you start them out young taking them with ya. Both my daughter and grandson have been in the woods since they were old enough to keep their feet under them. Yes it is a little more cumbersom, and you might not get to be out there quite as long at first, but as time rolls on, you will find they will tough it out as long and sometimes longer than you.

    Good luck on your next outing and get those pics up, always like to see the other guy's hunting fields.
     
  8. duckinalaska

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    BJ,
    Hey looks like you guys had a good time. I know that the kids take up a lot of time, but just think you've got a future hunting buddy for life. My boy turns five in March and I'm going to set him up with a 17 Mach 2.
    Hey, maybe one day I'll be able to afford one of those big Allen Mags after I retire from the Air Force and get a job that pays big like some of you guys.
    Thanks for the field report Bud,
    Brandon
     
  9. Jimm

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    Bill , Steve,

    You'all know them little buggers are omnivorous don't cha ? We watched the imps drag a gutted dog down a hole when we went to Texas pd shooting , more than once . At one location we had filmed several exploding ,flying high in the air ,parts going in different directions etc. Then after an hour or so the landowner came and visited a while and as he was leaving we asked him to drive to red mound of dirt that was at the location of the filmed hits . We wanted to range that spot using his truck because the LRF was giving readings that were short of the dialup necessary to connect . Turns out the range was 688 yds but the LRF was reading about 450 because of the flat ground and the lack of any vertical mass to range on .Once he was there and we had ranged his truck we drove there to check out the kills . Nothing ,nada ,zip, zilch ! While we had been shooting in another direction for an hour the little cannibals had taken away all their fallen comrades !

    You may have seen a dead dog at that mound and his mother brother sister cousin got there first . Race to the site of a suspected kill while blowing the horn /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

    Keep on trying guys , it's the challenge of it all anyway , the completion will be somewhat anti climactic .

    Jim
     
  10. lerch

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    Trying sure is a hell of a lot of fun but also frustrating as hell!!!!!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

    To be completely honest of the three try's we have had at the 1500yd pdog this time was the first time we have left and I havent wanted to put my fist through my window. I felt a lot better about how we ranged to dogs, once we got it figured out, and I felt a lot better about our shooting.
    Instead of simply walking shots into the dogs we were very close on our first shots and then only had to make minor adjustments to scare the hell out of em!!

    I will tell you that a near 2 mile round trip walk carrying all that crap for nothin freakin sucks!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

    When bj was shooting at that dog that we thought he killed I think he launched a total of 4-5 rnds and if that group would have been on paper it would have been under 8" total at 1500yds.

    The reason I wasnt all pissed off this time when we left dog town was because I realized that there is nothing much more we can do. IF we were any closer dogs would be dead. These rifles are well under moa at 1600yds and I jsut dont think you can expect much more than that.

    A pdog is roughly 4" wide and 6-8" tall, moa at 1600 is 16",

    some luck has to be involved.

    we will keep given em hell and they will start falling soon, if nothing else I can definantly see an improvment in our shooting.

    Anything the size of a small coyote or bigger is in definate trouble from the muzzle to a mile. A beer can sized animal is a little tougher to hit /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
     
  11. uncleB

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    Bill and Lerch,
    I feel your pain,me and goodgrouper never made it on the first few tries either. you learn move on and even more than being "lucky" as you suggest persistance and effort will pay-off in the end , just dont forget to have fun along the way good luck and keep us posted.
    UB
     
  12. älg

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    Keep on trying and keep us posted. which load/bullets were you using??
     
  13. lerch

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    We are shooting the 270 Allen Mag with 104gr of WC872 and the 169.5gr WildCat ULD RBBT, BC of .740. This load chrono's about 3450 on a hot day and is pretty sticky then.

    Hodgdon is coming out with a non-temp sensitive ball powder for magnums calles US869, hopefully this powder will be the "cat's meow" for all of us shooting these cannon's.
     
  14. lerch

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    SS7mm,

    I think I wind bucking machine will be on the way before too long (hahahah)

    I am counting the minutes

    take it easy
    steve