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111 Long Range Hunter in 300 Win Mag
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<blockquote data-quote="338winmag" data-source="post: 470341" data-attributes="member: 29912"><p>What he got for initial customer service sold me NOT to consider them as a first choice.</p><p> </p><p>No one has made remarks regarding this though:</p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: blue">"Being a reloader, here is my big question of the day:</span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: blue">I have broke down many over the counter factory ammo including the premium ammo from the big names. I am not impressed. Larger than average bullet runout numbers, case lengths not consistent, bullet weight not consistent, powder not consistent, seating depth to ogive not consistent. The opposite of these very things are what makes accuracy at their very best.</span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: blue">But there are even other factors. Sure Savage built in a minimal headspace tolerance but that only accounts for the true headspace face of breech to where the case stops (for magnums and rimmed). There is still the factor that the new over the counter ammo is not fireformed to your chamber so your bullet alignment to bore can be off as well as irregular case expansion to shoulder affecting bullet start.</span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: blue">Also, we all know that bullet depth seating is a very big factor for getting those rounds within Sub MOA accuracy so I am a little confused that an over the counter rifle (Even the Great & Almighty Savage 111 Long Range Hunter) as an overall purchase should get such consistent tight groups (according to the Gunsmith) and that his special work can do even better with the original chamber and barrel (aside from Savage's 111 proprietary bedding and trigger)</span></em></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: blue">Please tell me this is realistically and truly possible and his expectation of at least .5 groups for Savage default and gunsmith proven .3-.4" groups possible with over the counter premium ammo? I just hate to see someone loose a lot of money for unrealistic expectations."</span></em></p><p> </p><p>I could be wrong.........</p><p>Thanks</p><p>338winmag</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="338winmag, post: 470341, member: 29912"] What he got for initial customer service sold me NOT to consider them as a first choice. No one has made remarks regarding this though: [I][COLOR=blue]"Being a reloader, here is my big question of the day:[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]I have broke down many over the counter factory ammo including the premium ammo from the big names. I am not impressed. Larger than average bullet runout numbers, case lengths not consistent, bullet weight not consistent, powder not consistent, seating depth to ogive not consistent. The opposite of these very things are what makes accuracy at their very best.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]But there are even other factors. Sure Savage built in a minimal headspace tolerance but that only accounts for the true headspace face of breech to where the case stops (for magnums and rimmed). There is still the factor that the new over the counter ammo is not fireformed to your chamber so your bullet alignment to bore can be off as well as irregular case expansion to shoulder affecting bullet start.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]Also, we all know that bullet depth seating is a very big factor for getting those rounds within Sub MOA accuracy so I am a little confused that an over the counter rifle (Even the Great & Almighty Savage 111 Long Range Hunter) as an overall purchase should get such consistent tight groups (according to the Gunsmith) and that his special work can do even better with the original chamber and barrel (aside from Savage's 111 proprietary bedding and trigger)[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]Please tell me this is realistically and truly possible and his expectation of at least .5 groups for Savage default and gunsmith proven .3-.4" groups possible with over the counter premium ammo? I just hate to see someone loose a lot of money for unrealistic expectations."[/COLOR][/I] I could be wrong......... Thanks 338winmag [/QUOTE]
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