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111 Long Range Hunter in 300 Win Mag
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<blockquote data-quote="338winmag" data-source="post: 469888" data-attributes="member: 29912"><p>I have received a few excellent suggestions on what my son can do to test out if this is really a rifle issue or a shooting practice issue we employed at the range. Unfortuantely he pretty much absoutely believes it is the rifle and he could very well be correct but in my life I try to eliminate all possiblities before I start forking over a lot of money.</p><p> </p><p>A gunsmith specializing in only Savage firearms is stating that this rifle should be shooting 1/2" groups at 100 yards with over the counter factory premium ammo. The gunsmith is also stating that he can correct the accuracy issues with some of his special gunsmithing (fire lapping?) and such. With his skills he can make this factory over the counter Savage firearm shoot consistent .3 and .4 shot groups???</p><p> </p><p>Being a reloader, here is my big question of the day:</p><p> </p><p>I have broke down many over the counter factory ammo including the premium ammo from the big names. I am not impressed. Larger than average bullet runout numbers, case lengths not consistent, bullet weight not consistent, power not consistent, seating depth to ogive not consistent. The opposite of these very things are what makes accuracy at their very best.</p><p> </p><p>But there is even other factors. Sure Savage built in a minimal headspace tolerance but that only accounts for the true headspace face of breech to where the case stops (for magnums and rimmed). There is still the factor that the new over the counter ammo is not fireformed to your chamber so your bullet alignment to bore can be off as well as irregular case expansion to shoulder affecting bullet start.</p><p> </p><p>Also, we al know that bullet depth seating is a very big factor for getting those rounds within Sub MOA accuracy so I am a little confused that an over the counter rifle (Even the Great & Almighty Savage 111 Long Range Hunter) as an overall purchase should get such consistent tight groups (according to the Gunsmith) and that his special work can do even better with the original chamber and barrel (aside from Savage's 111 proprietary bedding and trigger)</p><p> </p><p>Please tell me this is realistically and truly possible and his expectation of at least .5 groups for Savage default and gunsmith proven .3-.4" groups possible with over the counter premium ammo? I just hate to see someone loose a lot of money for unrealistic expectations.</p><p> </p><p>Please plese no hype. Just realistic facts that are applicable to a large majority.</p><p> </p><p>"I could be wrong" as Charles Barkleys says but ..</p><p> </p><p>Thanks</p><p>338WinMag</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="338winmag, post: 469888, member: 29912"] I have received a few excellent suggestions on what my son can do to test out if this is really a rifle issue or a shooting practice issue we employed at the range. Unfortuantely he pretty much absoutely believes it is the rifle and he could very well be correct but in my life I try to eliminate all possiblities before I start forking over a lot of money. A gunsmith specializing in only Savage firearms is stating that this rifle should be shooting 1/2" groups at 100 yards with over the counter factory premium ammo. The gunsmith is also stating that he can correct the accuracy issues with some of his special gunsmithing (fire lapping?) and such. With his skills he can make this factory over the counter Savage firearm shoot consistent .3 and .4 shot groups??? Being a reloader, here is my big question of the day: I have broke down many over the counter factory ammo including the premium ammo from the big names. I am not impressed. Larger than average bullet runout numbers, case lengths not consistent, bullet weight not consistent, power not consistent, seating depth to ogive not consistent. The opposite of these very things are what makes accuracy at their very best. But there is even other factors. Sure Savage built in a minimal headspace tolerance but that only accounts for the true headspace face of breech to where the case stops (for magnums and rimmed). There is still the factor that the new over the counter ammo is not fireformed to your chamber so your bullet alignment to bore can be off as well as irregular case expansion to shoulder affecting bullet start. Also, we al know that bullet depth seating is a very big factor for getting those rounds within Sub MOA accuracy so I am a little confused that an over the counter rifle (Even the Great & Almighty Savage 111 Long Range Hunter) as an overall purchase should get such consistent tight groups (according to the Gunsmith) and that his special work can do even better with the original chamber and barrel (aside from Savage's 111 proprietary bedding and trigger) Please tell me this is realistically and truly possible and his expectation of at least .5 groups for Savage default and gunsmith proven .3-.4" groups possible with over the counter premium ammo? I just hate to see someone loose a lot of money for unrealistic expectations. Please plese no hype. Just realistic facts that are applicable to a large majority. "I could be wrong" as Charles Barkleys says but .. Thanks 338WinMag [/QUOTE]
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