1000Y challenge! Test your 1st shot hit capabillity.

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by Sauer 150, May 27, 2012.

  1. Sauer 150

    Sauer 150 Well-Known Member

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    Hi all,

    Greating to you all on memorial days.

    I have a challenge for you especially the ones with true LR capabillities.

    To find out actually how many that is able to score 90%+ first shot hits on deer sized game at the 1000y mark this is the challenge.

    1. 1 Shot, and one shot only each day
    2. No sighters or any fouling shots
    3. Use whatever gun, optics, bipod and carriable rest you would use in the field. If you can carry it you're good to go
    4. Range finder, weatherstation, drop chart etc are all off course permitted.
    5. 3/4 MOA target is the size target we're after. Since this translates fairly good to the kill zone of a deer. Correct me if i'm wrong in converting metric size to US. We're looking for a 10" target at 1000y

    And we should off course have a price for the winners. What about if all who participates donate 10$? And the ones that succeds gets a bottle of fine brew of some kind and off course the awe of the others here :)

    If needed I can contact a few of our suppliers and I will pay for an additional price.

    Does this sound like something that could be done??
     
  2. Sully2

    Sully2 Well-Known Member

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    Personally...I dont think you'll find any "winners". Even if you opened the shooting up to 1 hit out of 3 shots that ALL must be taken within 30-35 seconds.....which MIGHT closer represent an actual shooting condition of missing or hitting without killing on the first shot.

    Ive seen guys shoot at Perry before and they aint shooting some 10" sized target either.
     

  3. Korhil78

    Korhil78 Well-Known Member

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    Might be hard getting it all organized because people have different types of jobs and work different times. The good thing about this site is that most people will be honest. It might be best to just set a certain number of shots allowed to be taken and then set a date to get it done by. Might be best also to just have fun with it and see who wins. Hope it works out for you and hope its fun. I dont have the ability to get out to 1k yet but I will soon.

    I also find it best when I read a thread, to just pretend like Sully never posted on it.
     
  4. Sauer 150

    Sauer 150 Well-Known Member

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    People can perform the test where ever they want and feel like. It's like in the field - we cannot all line up to shot at the same deer :)

    Would be nice to have video, picture proof that could be posted or a spotter that would verify the results.

    So everyone get out put up a 10" gong - paint a red 3-4" center on it a get to work. We wanna se 9 or more wellplaced shots from a cold barrels performed on 10 different days.
     
  5. Sully2

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    You can say and believe what you want but Im betting there are a lot more 1000 yard BSers than actual hitters on the BB. Your slam on me doesnt phase me 1 iota ( go look up what iota means) because what Im saying here is FACT
     
  6. MachV

    MachV Well-Known Member

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    9 out of 10 cold bore shots in a 10" circle @ 1000 yards, aint askin for much are ya Sauer......
    It sure would be interesting to see the results though........Some more than others ;-)
     
  7. Sauer 150

    Sauer 150 Well-Known Member

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    It might be that I am. I'm personally not able to by far, but I'm not a great LR shot. With the best of conditions I personally might give it a go at 600, but at a full 1 k - that is for me at least way to long a poke at a small target .......

    I do however feel this challenge should be quite easy for many participants here taken the results in some of the active polls at the moment, how long will you shot at ........Max range......

    We could of course make it a 12-14" gong to reflect the vitals of a Mule deer insteed of a WT, and could even make it a 16-18" gong if people are shooting proper elk rifles.

    So lets expand the challenge and bring in all guns/caliber/bullet combo's that will offer at least 1500# at the full 1K for elk and 1000# for muleys.

    We have a friend on one of our Norwegian sites that performs this test at a full kilometer with his 338 Lapua. He demands for himself is 10 of of 10 within a 9" circle at that range. We're gone give him a bottle of scotlands finest when he succeds. His up to 8 out of 10 now. So it would be nice to see how you guys compare.
     
  8. Broz

    Broz Well-Known Member

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    I am interested in the test. But I am aprehensive as to your motive here. So I am not going to commit. I have done this before but not 10 shots. Also I didn't do it on consecutive days. I did it when conditions were good and were comparative to what I would require to take this shot on game. When I did this the reason was to confirm actual spin drift at 1000 yards on several occasions with different conditions and temperatures. I used a 20" steel target with a 7" orange circle for point of aim. I like your test but am not looking for any prise, bragging rights or to prove anything. However, I think this is a great test and can also be very humbling. This is something evry LR shooter should do for himself before he engages game as target

    JMO

    Jeff
     
  9. codyjoe1128

    codyjoe1128 Well-Known Member

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    One more reason I seek out your advise on things.....I plan on repeating my 815 yard cold bore shot a few more times then moving on out to a grand....
     
  10. rscott5028

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    You should change your challenge and see how many can accurately range a whitetail at 1,000 yds within some time limit.

    I have no idea how you'd compare results considering all the variables. But, my point is that you're making a hunting comparison. Yet, one doesn't stand much of a chance without an accurate range. And, getting an accurate range on a piece of steel is a lot easier than trying to range a deer at that distance.

    I have a Leica 1200 CRF and can't do it on flat land without a whole lot of luck. Certainly not quick enough and with sufficient confidence to get set up for an ethical shot.

    -- richard
     
  11. Sauer 150

    Sauer 150 Well-Known Member

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    Jeff, please do not be aprehensive. My point with the test is making sure everyone that tries anything like this in the field fully appreciate the difficulties involved and methiculous focus on every little detail needed to be succesful and be very humble to the fact that a 1k shot on a deer sized target is extremely challenging under field conditions

    And finding this out prior to season on steel, rather than on game is much better for all parties involved.

    From our cources I have seen even experianced shooters having a hard time keeping POI within 1/2 MOA from center shot from a field rest wether this is over a backpack, bipod and bean bag in a precise rifle cartridge combo. With some basic training and careful building a good shooting stance most can do 3/4MOA groups. To have some room for error on a deer sized target one needs to be a 1/2 MOA or better shot and quite frankly that kind of shooting skills does not come easy.

    Besides the actual shooting itself you need to factor in drift, drop under various conditions both temp and pressure, having a very consistent load with very low ES and last but not least you need to perform tests making sure the bullet of choice actually opens at the velocities it has passing the 1000y mark.

    It is not impossible - a lot of work and VERY challenging.
     
  12. Broz

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    I agree with your last post Sauer150. As I stated earlier it is something everyone should do to realize the factors and the limitations of the team, the rifle, ammo and shooter skill combined. That is why I refer to Long Range shooting / hunting as a commitment. If you dont have the time and persistence to work hard for it, it will not work.

    Even though I practice to past 2000 yards the number of animals I have taken past 1000 are limited to counting on one hand (excluding coyote). The reason is that many of us here pactice the " Conditions Rule" discipline. I have heard Shawn Carlock say it very well. " If I do not feel I will be totally amazed if I miss this shot, I will not take it on a game animal"


    Another point to be made is that with good elevation control like a solid rest and low ES. Combined with a good Long Range bullet choice, you can improve your odds greatly and also widen the effective kill area in windage. The way I do this is by using these rules.
    Make sure the animal is close to completely broadside. I am not worried about penetration , at these distances most all bullets will penetrate well. But if the animal is quartering you have now just narrowed the windage portion of your target and also increased the posibility of a deflecting bullet that does not continue on a true path after impact.
    Shoot for the crease behind the shoulder. This will not only give you that 10'"to 12" target of the vital area but will also widen that target into the shoulder area where you will still get good terminal results. This is important if you are off on a wind call.

    Anyway, I agree these things are something that need to be talked about and realized. And the more you shoot the more you will increase your skill set and knowledge. But I simply need to know this for my own self, not for a prise or bragging rights.

    Jeff
     
  13. NZ Longranger

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    I agree with everything Jeff and Sauer have said, but will add another couple of comments.

    Firstly, in trickier conditions at very long range we will sometimes fire a spotter shot at a bank at a similar range and direction to the target animal, but not too close, usually 50 plus yards off to the side. The animal will usually look up but still give you time to correct, get on him and get a killing shot away. If he does bolt at the spotter shot, so be it. I would rather have this happen than risk a wind call I'm not quite sure on. I know other very experienced extreme range hunters who use this technique, and it works.

    Secondly, I always err on the high side with my POI - I aim 2/3rds of the way up the shoulder not 1/3 to halfway up like I do at a shot inside say 500 yards. There is more lateral leeway with quickly fatal organs etc to hit in the top half than the bottom half. If you stray back a bit, you have the rear of the lungs, then the liver and spleen, and then the kidneys. You also have the spine all the way as an anchoring shot even if hit behind the diaphragm. Forward of the shoulder itself you have the neck vertebrae. If you hit low and back, you miss the lungs, and will hit paunch at best which is a terrible place to wound an animal. And if you're going to miss just over or under, over is best as you won't wound the animal. Just under can easily cause a smashed front leg and a lost wounded animal.

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    You don't "practice" on our game animals. Once you've done all your range work, "Rock hunting" in your hunting areas as Shawn Carlock says is probably one of the best ways to teach yourself to make the shots in the field, and to work out when you and your equipment are up to the task. Its also bloody good fun too!
    Greg
     
  14. Sauer 150

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    Thanks Greg for your insight. Spotters are a very good way of determine actual wind drift and drop under the current conditions.

    I am still a bit curious why nobody has taken the challenge since there should be plenty of candidates according to the replies in the thread; How long will you shoot at a deer...

    A bit strange if it's more challenging and a tougher accomplishment to hit a stillstanding steelplate than it is shooting at and hitting a live deer with ones 1st round.