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1000 Yard Gun - .260 vs 6.5 Creedmoor
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<blockquote data-quote="Pistol packer" data-source="post: 714099" data-attributes="member: 34702"><p>crusty, et.al.</p><p></p><p>i helped develope a 41 mag slug and load about 30 years ago. up to that time there was NO ONE who survived a bear ATTACK in alaska who had used a 44, 41, etc as bear defense. plenty had killed big bears with pistols as a hunt, but not surviving a bear attack. we started with 300 gr slugs in the 44 with this knowledge and from the work done in Africa with guides there using 44 mags as back up to their clients 460s and 458s etc. there was virtually no info in america on this type of shooting. talking to SSI ind. owner and reading all of elmer keiths articles i could find, plus p.o ackley and more, i found 335 gr hard cast slugs with or w/o cast checks at 1400 fps and a 310-320 gr in a 41 mag at same velocity were bear STOPPERS.. they have to have a very BIG front. the meplat is the key plus hard casting for max penetration. the keith SWC is too small on the front. the long wide nose on LBT's bullets and his shorter WN is the biggest frontal area available on commercial bullets and works like a charm. i have some that are almost full wadcutters but they are hard to work with.</p><p>since 1985, there have been MANY reports of people surviving bear ATTACKS using a 44 or equivalent pistol. some have been 9-10 foot grizzlies and some have been at point blank range. i have several customers and friends who have shot big bears at very short ranges and they all report the same thing-they dropped as if their heads were lopped off. one dispatched a 9 foot black here in montana. he was with F&G. same report. all find total penetration on the bear-often finding the slug going 1 foot or more into the ground after penetrating the bear and almost all of the slugs could be reshot if reloaded as there is virtually no marks other than rifling on the slugs. hope this answers your question.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pistol packer, post: 714099, member: 34702"] crusty, et.al. i helped develope a 41 mag slug and load about 30 years ago. up to that time there was NO ONE who survived a bear ATTACK in alaska who had used a 44, 41, etc as bear defense. plenty had killed big bears with pistols as a hunt, but not surviving a bear attack. we started with 300 gr slugs in the 44 with this knowledge and from the work done in Africa with guides there using 44 mags as back up to their clients 460s and 458s etc. there was virtually no info in america on this type of shooting. talking to SSI ind. owner and reading all of elmer keiths articles i could find, plus p.o ackley and more, i found 335 gr hard cast slugs with or w/o cast checks at 1400 fps and a 310-320 gr in a 41 mag at same velocity were bear STOPPERS.. they have to have a very BIG front. the meplat is the key plus hard casting for max penetration. the keith SWC is too small on the front. the long wide nose on LBT's bullets and his shorter WN is the biggest frontal area available on commercial bullets and works like a charm. i have some that are almost full wadcutters but they are hard to work with. since 1985, there have been MANY reports of people surviving bear ATTACKS using a 44 or equivalent pistol. some have been 9-10 foot grizzlies and some have been at point blank range. i have several customers and friends who have shot big bears at very short ranges and they all report the same thing-they dropped as if their heads were lopped off. one dispatched a 9 foot black here in montana. he was with F&G. same report. all find total penetration on the bear-often finding the slug going 1 foot or more into the ground after penetrating the bear and almost all of the slugs could be reshot if reloaded as there is virtually no marks other than rifling on the slugs. hope this answers your question. [/QUOTE]
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