***1000 YARD COLD BORE SHOT (This Saturday)****

Discussion in 'Long Range Hunting & Shooting' started by bigbuck, Aug 9, 2012.

  1. bigbuck

    bigbuck Well-Known Member

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    Well I may be going to shoot this weekend again and I thought maybe I could try a one shot scenario (like the real thing). I'm not really ready for it but thats why we practice right ? I usually shoot one shot then adjust my impacts and go from there to shooting 3 shot groups. This would put a little more pressure on me because I would have to read the wind just right to hit anywhere close to the target .

    1. What size of circle would you guys say that I needed to be able to hit at 1000 yards?

    2. How many of yall have tried this and what was your experience ?

    3. Would you shoot a fowler shot not at the target but just because I plan on cleaning my barrel before I shoot this weekend ?

    If I get to go shooting I will try and post some pics of how it goes:)

    Thanks for any advice and happy shooting!!
     
  2. Fiftydriver

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    1. What size of circle would you guys say that I needed to be able to hit at 1000 yards? That depends on your goal for the rifle and its intended use. If its for hunting whitetails, you have a vital zone in the 12x16" range. If you are hunting elk, its more like 20x24" vital zone. My rule of thumb is I like to hit targets about 1/2 the size of the vital zone so that you have a 50% margin of error in the field. That is not a very large target if your hunting deer!!!

    2. How many of yall have tried this and what was your experience ? Most serious long range hunters do this all the time. Its called Practical Field Practice shooting. Find a target of opportunity, small 1/2 moa sized rock is idea, range, figure the shooting solution or look up hold over, set up and shoot just as you would in real life at a big game animal. Thats how we should practice. ITs important to get an idea how a rifle groups with a given load but groups mean nothing to the big game hunter, that first shot is all important.

    3. Would you shoot a fowler shot not at the target but just because I plan on cleaning my barrel before I shoot this weekend ? Never shoot off a freshly cleaned bore. Even if I go out behind the shop and put a round into my bullet trap. Never take a serious shot out of a freshly cleaned bore, NEVER!
     

  3. bigbuck

    bigbuck Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Kirby. I thought several folks would have chimed in by now. I plan on taking a white tail this year or atleast that is my goal . so I will shoot at say an 8'' orange target dot. Thanks for your advice.
     
  4. royinidaho

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    Why would more people chime in when the first post is spot-on!:)
     
  5. Eaglet

    Eaglet Well-Known Member

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    Says who???

    Jusk kidding man! you're right. :D
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    Kirby,

    I'm sure glad to hear or read from you. It'd either been a while or I've been in my
    own world.

    Any way, good to read from you!
     
  6. Eaglet

    Eaglet Well-Known Member

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    In reference to Roy's reply I think you meant before Kirby answered.
    From the time you posted to the time Kirby answered that was 14 hrs and 48 minutes or so...

    Heard that Roy? :rolleyes: :)
     
  7. angus-5024

    angus-5024 Well-Known Member

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    Ill quote Kirby on this one with "NUFF SAID".:D
     
  8. bigbuck

    bigbuck Well-Known Member

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    Yeah. I had just been watching the views (like a 100) with no replies. I thought it strange . Guess I am a little impatient :)

    Most of the time when I realize that I dont have to work later in the week , I will decide to go and shoot . Kind of last minute decision so I will post a thread if I need some advice and hope I get some help before I drive to where I shoot (It's kind of a far stretch) just trying to get all I can out of each tripgun)

    Thanks fellas for the help/replies
     
  9. royinidaho

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    Eaglet,

    Man, you're brutal.:)

    Cut me a little slack, I'm getting older by the minute,:D

    You look @ details way to much. They got pills for that!:D

    I think the time delay and all the views were by those who had no quality response. Kirby was the first and with the sage response.
     
  10. Fiftydriver

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    I know alot of guys like to shoot at paper targets or orange dots on a target board but if you do alot of this long range shooting, you quickly realize that it is a HUGE investment in time to set up a long rnage target, shoot some round, drive up to the target, see what you did, make an adjustment, head back to the shooting position, shoot again........

    In reality, its not all that realistic either. Here is what I do.

    1. GO out to an area where where you can shoot at a variaty of ranges if you have access to a place like that. Its good to have a place where you can shoot from 500 to say at least 1000 yards depending on your rifle. In some cases its good to reach out farther. For instance, when I practice with my 338 or 375 Allen Magnums I set up from around 800 yards to 1500-1700 yards.

    2. Have a premade drop chart of your ballistic program with you at the range. Its best to have your handheld program with you so you can run each shooting solution when testing a drop chart.

    3. Find a closer range, say 500 yards. Range it to be sure, run the distance and environemtal conditions into your handheld and get a shooting solution. Dial in the solution into your rifle for drop and windage, set up and take ONE shot just as you would in a big game hunting situation. Its always good to have a spotter but its can be vastly more valuable to you as the shooter to have a good video camera set up behind you so you can refer to the video after the shot.

    4. Take the shot and record the impact in relation to your point of aim. DO NOT make any adjustments at this time. Review the video so you are sure to have a positive idea of bullet impact. Sometimes things appear different through the scope, VIDEO NEVER LIES!!! This is another reason I say get off paper. There is no way to tell at really long ranges where you hit. Shooting at rocks will give you a clear idea of bullet impact especially viewing video results.

    5. Find another target to shoot at in the 700-800 yard range. Repeat all the steps above in preperation for the shot. On the video make a comment of the range and conditions just for your records. Take the shot, again, record bullet impact but DO NOT MAKE adjustments to your drop chart.

    6. Find another range, 1000-1100 yards. Repeat steps above and again comment on video of range and conditions and record shot placement again after the shot.

    7. If you can step out to 1200-1300 depending on your rifle system if its accurate to these ranges and repeat all steps.

    8. After this you will have four shots at four different ranges. If you have a reasonably accurate rifle with a consistant load, you will have just recorded the information needed to plot the actual trajectory of your rifle/load. YOu should know your zero range, and you will have a drop record for a 500 yard drop, 750 yard drop, 1000 yard drop and possibly 1200+ yard drop. These points will plot a trajectory of your load.

    9. Go back to your home and using this recorded information, compare it to your ballistic programs drop chart, you should see a pattern. With an accuracy load and rifle and in good consistant shoting conditions you should see a real pattern. Say your a bit low at 500, you will be a bit more low at 750 and low at 1000 and 1200 as well. You can tweak the data points in your ballistic program to bring your predicted drop chart to match your actual trajectory.

    10. Head back out to the range and repeat all of the above to test your actual drops to your programs projected drops. It often takes several trips to the range so you can see why its sometimes important to not shoot groups at paper, you could throw alot of lead!!!

    If done correctly, by the time your done, your predicted drops will match up perfectly with your actual trajectory. You can learn more from 10 shots of practical field practice shooting then 100 rounds fired on paper. Its all about recording your impact data accurately.

    Video can be invaluable, even if you have a spotter. Best thing I ever started doing. Really cuts down the number of rounds you need to put down to get things matched up. PLus, you have some cool video at the end of it as well!!!
     
  11. barnesuser28

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    So it sounds like shooting prairie dogs at long range would be really good practice once you get your drop chart figured out. Kirby I sent you a pm.
     
  12. shortpants

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    Hey Bigbuck, I just found this thread. Your not going to get much better advice than what Kirby posted. Thanks for posting it Kirby. One of my main problems is spotting my own shots which is why I set up targets so I can check them. A video camera is a great idea! I will say however that I would stick with paper if your testing loads or shooting to find your drops. I believe my drops are pretty accurate for those AMAX's I tested but until I shoot them through some paper bullseyes to verify I'm going to hold off on the rocks. Once verified however, it will be all rock hunting. Also I use 8" for my killzone because I hunt Coues deer which are quite small. I know if I can put 100% of my shots inside an 8" target that I can pretty much hit the vitals of any deer, antelope, or elk.
    Good luck and take some pics!
     
  13. shortpants

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    That's what I get for not reading it all. I skipped over the part about adjusting drops. Don't listen me , listen to Kirby. That's why everybody is not responding Bigbuck, ya see what happens when I try and sound smart!:D
     
  14. bigbuck

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    LOL. It's all goood!!

    I got some pics but I can't put em up now. will post them later.
    Thanks Kirby for breaking it down like you have done . That's the info that will make us all better shooters! I have burnt through some boolits and powder , nice 2 see I can save some barrel life doing it your way.