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SOLD/EXPIRED Rem 700 Ti 7mm-08 w/Leupold Scope

Its Your Gun And You May Do As You Wish. Put Pricing It, And Then Accepting The Offer You Ask For It, Only Later To Craw Fish Is Just Bad Business. I.M.O. Now Days It Seems Some People's Repetition Is not Worth Much To Them. Glad Mine Is, I Sold a Very Hard To find Remington Few Months Back, Like You Not Knowing What It Was Worth I Priced It.. And I Made Money On It.. Later Received a E-Mail With a Offered $1000 More Than It Was Listed For. Told Him Thanks, But Was Already Spoken For. And I Would Pass His Info To The New Owner. Maybe He Would Kep Him In mind When Selling..Some Time $ Isnt The Only thing, Alway Do What You Say You'll Do..I Like To Sleep At Night..
 
What a cluster f****, but this has me curious as I am not up on Ti values.
What do yall think is a "good/fair" price for this rig from a Buyers perspective? What kind of money are we talking about that is making this guy renig on his for sale ad?
 
Thanks but most of the listings are many years old, and not help for current fmv. Seems like a lot of folks thought $1,300 was a huge steal (including the scope)...I just thought they might care to chime in on what they thought the more fair price is?

I'm just curious. OP should have researched this better. Once you put it up for sale, you have to honor your price. Its on the seller if he didn't do his homework. These are classifieds, not auctions.
 
You all are a lot braver than I am, #1 a very recently joined new member, #2 starts off by posting in classifieds, #3 immediately reneges on a deal and wants to change the price/terms. I'd say buyer beware on this one.
 
I've Had 15 or 16 Ti's Over The Years. Two Year's Ago They Would Bring $1500-$1600 For a Bare Clean 7-08. They Where a Hot Item. And They Still Bring Good Money, When You Find Them. But Their Value Has Dropped. {Check Gun Broker Over Last Few Years}.I Think A lot Of This Is Having to Do With Kimber Montana's Which You Can Usually Can Pick Up Under $1000 And Weigh 5.2 Pounds. While $1300 Was a Good Buy For The Set Up. I.M.O.The Difference He'll Make Would not Be Worth Going Back On Your Word.
 
I've Had 15 or 16 Ti's Over The Years. Two Year's Ago They Would Bring $1500-$1600 For a Bare Clean 7-08. They Where a Hot Item. And They Still Bring Good Money, When You Find Them. But Their Value Has Dropped. {Check Gun Broker Over Last Few Years}.I Think A lot Of This Is Having to Do With Kimber Montana's Which You Can Usually Pick Up Under $1000 And Weigh 5.2 Pounds. While $1300 Was a Good Buy For The Set Up. I.M.O.The Difference He'll Make Would not Be Worth Going Back On Your Word.
 
I would like to add a little more detail as it may prove helpful to some of you, and perhaps to me too. I have two main thoughts. The first relates to my asking price. I was accused of "not doing my research" by Hairtrigger when discussing renegotiating the sale. I pointed out that although I haven't been following online sales regularly, I did do extensive online searching before posting my ad. (The truth is that anyone who knows me will tell you that I tend to overanalyze and over research almost everything I do. I am a trained scientist and teacher, so comes naturally and by training.) The majority of what I found was from 2013, with most firearms priced around $1,300, some with scopes, and some without. I also saw one current ad on Gun Broker with a starting bid of $2,300, but I assumed this was just an outlier; some person asking a ridiculous amount and hoping someone would bite.


When my online posts/ads started immediately getting lots of attention, and people began contacting me making higher offers, it became quite clear that I had undervalued the item. I went back to Google to see if I could find more. Like before, I did a number of different searches, but this time I went about 5 Google pages deep into each search. Despite all this additional searching, I only found a few more ads. That said, they were somewhat helpful, as one was my same gun (model and chambering), and despite being a 2013 ad, the listed price was $1,700 w/ scope. Another was a 2016 ad, and although it was for the less-desirable Alaskan model, the listed price was $1,850 (gun, bases and rings only, though it did have a Jewell trigger). I also found another Alaskan ad, this one from 2012, asking $1675 shipped. I will post ALL links that I've referred to below.


I would also like to point out that during my conversation with Hairtrigger I stated that I really had tried to "do my research," asked him if he could help walk me through what I should have done differently. He said I should have searched for completed transactions in Gun Broker. He and I both got online and tried to accomplish this together, going into the Advanced Search page, but neither of us had any luck. The only other advice he gave was that he knew the value by watching gun sales over time, and as I've said, I don't have that kind of knowledge/experience.


And this brings me to my final thought. You can say that I was foolish, naïve, or didn't do my research. You have a right to your opinion. But another way of looking at it is that someone was trying to take advantage of my lack of knowledge and rip me off. This is a point that was made to me by others who contacted me offering me a higher price, and I think there is something to this idea. My father was a big collector of valuable antique clocks, and also dabbled in rare coins. On more than one occasion he had people offer to sell him items well below what he knew to be their actual value. His response was generally to inform the person that their asking price was too low, and then make them an offer that was mutually beneficial. For example, "I think that clock my actually be worth about $5,000, not the $3,000 you are asking. I'm willing to give you $4,000, and if you would like to try and spend the time and energy finding a buyer willing to pay more, that is your prerogative." You take my point, I'm sure.


In this case, I believe my firearm alone (i.e., without scope/rings/bases) may be worth $2,000. Since I was including a very nice scope/rings/bases in the $1,300, I was essentially asking about HALF that. If someone offers to sell you something you know is being grossly undervalued and you take that offer, you may be lucky, you may be smart, or you may be ripping someone off. If you point out that it's probably worth quite a bit more, to make sure they know what they are doing, then your conscience is clear. If not, in my opinion, you are not being forthright; you are taking advantage of someone, even if you want to justify it by saying "it's their fault; they should have done their research."


Once I discovered I had mistakenly undervalued my item by as much as 100%, I was not going to let it go for that price. This had as much to do with refusing to be taken advantage of as it did with the money. As I told Hairtrigger, both before and after the renegotiation, I don't need the money, and I'm in no hurry to sell the gun. I really like this gun, and always have, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let it go to someone with questionable scruples, as Hairtrigger showed himself to be both by way of trying to "steal" the gun (in the words of another poster), and more importantly, by the rudeness he displayed over the phone, calling me "greedy" (I would argue he was the one being greedy; if he had told me the truth and offered even a little more up front, this almost certainly would not have occurred), and saying that he knew I couldn't be trusted because I wasn't "from the south." When I pointed out I was raised in TX, he accused me of lying since I didn't have an accent (I lived in the Midwest from the age of ~ 10 onward). He also said that this lack of trust is why he had asked I have my FFL ship to his FFL, rather than me shipping directly to his FFL. During our first phone call, he told me this was because I was so new to the forum, and I understood and agreed completely. In hindsight, I think the main reason he wanted this done was because he knew this deal was "too good to be true." My ridiculously low price made him wonder if I was a scammer. This is just further evidence he knew, and was not being completely honest with me. If someone is a little off in their price, that's their business, but when they are WAY off, I think the honest person speaks up.


The following ads/links are listed in the order I found them. 1-4 were found before I posted my ad, and 5-7 were found later, after more extensive searching. I'd love to see some additional ads, especially for the older 700 Ti model, that are newer than 2013. Please share if you know something.


1. 2012 Ad - $1,300 (no scope): http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f25/remington-700-titanium-sale-89793/


2. 2013 Ad - $1,200 (w/scope and hard case): http://www.armslist.com/posts/13509...-remington-model-700-titanium--308-deer-rifle


3. 2013 Ad - $1,300 (w/scope): http://www.armslist.com/posts/18988...olina-rifles-for-sale--remington-700-titanium


4. Current Ad/Auction - $2,295 opening bid: http://www.gunbroker.com/Item/670168060


5. 2013 Ad - $1,700 (w/scope): http://www.armslist.com/posts/14519...for-sale--remington-model-700-titanium-7mm-08


6. 2016 Ad (Alaskan Model; Jewell trigger, rings/bases, no scope) - $1,850: https://www.theoutdoorstrader.com/t...ton-700-titanium-alaskan-guide-model.1245306/


7. 2012 Ad (Alaskan) - $1,675 shipped: http://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/remington-700-ti-in-7mm-08.103087/
 
I've seen this crap a 1,000 times.... always better to just steer clear and let someone else feel like they got a good deal. But another note, I would NEVER post an item for sale for xxxx dollars and then say oh wait, that's not enough money because i've gotten a lot of interest.. My word is worth way more than another $100...
 
I've seen this crap a 1,000 times.... always better to just steer clear and let someone else feel like they got a good deal. But another note, I would NEVER post an item for sale for xxxx dollars and then say oh wait, that's not enough money because i've gotten a lot of interest.. My word is worth way more than another $100...

Well said.
 
No one can rip you off by accepting YOUR ask price. You should have waited and educated yourself if you didnt want to make a mistake in pricing. You should have known by your research you had no good data to form an opinion of current fmv. You knew from your Dad's clock buying that some sellers make big mistakes pricing prematurely. You should have slowed down, and made a post in the discussion forum asking for valuation opinions. Only then put it up for sale. You are wrong placing ANY responsibility at anyone else's door but your own.

Now how you deal with your mistake or get yourself out of it is your decision, but to come on here and cast aspersions of being ripped off from your own naiveté is pathetic. Imho you should have just apologized profusely, admitted your ignorance of the subject matter, and left it at that.
 
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