Remington vs Savage Throat Length

[scsims]

I'm working up a load for my sons new Savage 10 308. I have never reloaded for a Savage before. I reload for Remington 700s, and my 308 the bullet is set much further out to get near the lands compared to the Savage.

COL
Savage
Touching Lands = 2.675"
Pushed into Lands = 2.791"

Remington
Touching Lands = 2.942"

Is this normal?

I may just me used to Remingtons, seems that I have to seat the bullets out pretty far on most of them,

 

[Ridgerunner665]

Normal...all Remingtons have throats like a giraffe.

 

[D.ID]

Normal...all Remingtons have throats like a giraffe.

+1 My experience echos that statement.

 

[Trickymissfit]

I'm working up a load for my sons new Savage 10 308. I have never reloaded for a Savage before. I reload for Remington 700s, and my 308 the bullet is set much further out to get near the lands compared to the Savage.

COL
Savage
Touching Lands = 2.675"
Pushed into Lands = 2.791"

Remington
Touching Lands = 2.942"

Is this normal?

I may just me used to Remingtons, seems that I have to seat the bullets out pretty far on most of them,

yes it is about right
gary

 

[Trickymissfit]

+1 My experience echos that statement.

compairing a couple 22-250's to a remington 22-250 showed a .070" difference! .223's are also similar.
gary

 

[rscott5028]

[...]
Touching Lands = 2.675"
Pushed into Lands = 2.791"
[...]

I don't really understand that statement...
2.791 - .2.675 = .116" doesn't make sense.

After about .010" jam, you're just seating the bullet deeper as you close the bolt.

-- richard

 

[scsims]

I don't really understand that statement...
2.791 - .2.675 = .116" doesn't make sense.

After about .010" jam, you're just seating the bullet deeper as you close the bolt.

-- richard

I'm using a stoney point AOL tool to get the AOL of the cartridge. When I push the bullet in to were it stops I get the first measurement 2.675 and If I firmly push on the plunger of the tool the bullet will go a little further and I get 2.791.

This is one of the reasons I asked the question because I wasn't sure. With my Remingtons I don't see the same results. I get about the .010" difference from when the bullet just stops to where I firmly push on the plunger.

 

[Greyfox]

Same experience with me. Even the Milspecs are way out there compared to the Savages.

 

[rscott5028]

I'm using a stoney point AOL tool to get the AOL of the cartridge. When I push the bullet in to were it stops I get the first measurement 2.675 and If I firmly push on the plunger of the tool the bullet will go a little further and I get 2.791.

This is one of the reasons I asked the question because I wasn't sure. With my Remingtons I don't see the same results. I get about the .010" difference from when the bullet just stops to where I firmly push on the plunger.

You have to push a little on the plunger to get the bullet engaged.

If there's a .116" difference, then the bullet will come out seriously and visibly engraved by the rifling. If it's barely scored, then the latter is probably the more accurate reading and I'm not sure what the initial resistance is unless using TTSX's with relief areas cut into the bullet shank.

-- richard

 

[scsims]

OK, so should I press firmly on the plunger to get the most accurate reading of where the lands begin? To where the bullet stays in the rifle after removing the tool?

 

[rscott5028]

OK, so should I press firmly on the plunger to get the most accurate reading of where the lands begin? To where the bullet stays in the rifle after removing the tool?

That depends.

If you're engraving the jacket from the pressure, then don't push so hard.

If it still doesn't feel right, try to get your chamber bore scoped to see what's going on. Savage and others do have tooling issues from time to time. I've heard of some where the chamber was cut off center from the bore. Obviously, those don't shoot very straight. So if it shoots well, it's probably not a concern.

If that doesn't seem to be an issue or concern, and if you're not engraving the jacket with the "firm" pushing, then I'd use that as my point of reference.

In the end, it doesn't matter what the measurement is since it's simply a point of reference.

What I think is important...
- drop your charge back and work up whenever you go from jump to jam
- the ideal amount of jump/jam can be different from one rifle to the next
- jamming bullets in a hunting rifle will ruin your day if you open the bolt on a loaded round and pull the bullet out spilling powder into your chamber/magazine
- will the loaded rounds fit and cycle from your magazine
- are you getting the desired accuracy

Hope this helps.
-- richard

 

[rscott5028]

OK, so should I press firmly on the plunger to get the most accurate reading of where the lands begin? To where the bullet stays in the rifle after removing the tool?

The rifling usually grabs my bullet when using my Hornady OAL gauge. But, I don't press so hard that it scores the jacket noticably.

-- richard

 

[scsims]

Thanks it does help. I don't think I'm getting engraving on the bullet more of rub marks when I push it in firmly.

Thanks for all the help.