.40 S&W or .45 ACP for song dogs???
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strombeckj
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From a auto stand point a .45 has less recoil and is more of a "push" in your hand than a .40 cal hwich has more "snap" and IMO are better suited for "Human Sized Targets". A .357 or 44mag in a 4" or 6" would be better for a back up side arm and shoot much flatter and work better on "Game".
Jon
No disrespect, but I understand all of what you just said, however it didn't answer my question. I have access to a .40 and a .45 but I don't have access to a .357 or .44 mag. So the question still lies...is either round sufficient for shooting coyotes out to 50yds?
strombeckj
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The short answer is no. You would be hard pressed to find a round for either that delivers 300+ FT LBS worth of energy at 50 yards, not to mention bullet drop and lack of performance in most auto's at long distance.
Jon
REDHEAD
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I would recommend and care a .40(xdm). I feel 165 or 155 gr Hp would be fast and flat at range? Most 40's give you volume capacity as the .45 acp retricts you to 7-8 rounds . The new poly/teflon pistols are tuff as nails. I try to carry mine ever time I go out. Ya, more for ***** and giggles and because I can. 
Enjoy your hunt your way.
Enjoy your hunt your way. B23
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I would say pick the one you shoot the best.
I can tell you right now that at 50 yards the 155 gr bullet out of a 40 SW will not drop enough to matter even on a coyote. I shoot one every day that I am at work. You can hit a human sized target in the chest at 100 yards without it dropping out of the chest zone and that is out of a 3.5 in barrel.
BUT at 50 yds you are going to have to be pretty dang smooth on that trigger and focus on that front sight. Might be a little hard on a small skittish animal.
Both will work if you can shoot the pistol proficiently. It is not the best thing to be using for coyotes but will it work? Yes, if you do your job it will do the rest. I will tell you this though, if you are off 5 inches to the right or left of the chest area (which is easy to do at 50 yds). You may hit the coyote but it's gonna run off and you will never find it.
BUT at 50 yds you are going to have to be pretty dang smooth on that trigger and focus on that front sight. Might be a little hard on a small skittish animal.
Both will work if you can shoot the pistol proficiently. It is not the best thing to be using for coyotes but will it work? Yes, if you do your job it will do the rest. I will tell you this though, if you are off 5 inches to the right or left of the chest area (which is easy to do at 50 yds). You may hit the coyote but it's gonna run off and you will never find it.
Ankeny
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"Both will work if you can shoot the pistol proficiently."
Pretty much sums it up.
Pretty much sums it up.
Pick the one that you shoot the best. For me that would be a 1911 plus mine has a longer sight radius than my 40 Baby Glock. Does one have night sights vs the other? Plenty of gun for a dog in my opinion as a 22 will put it on them.
REDHEAD
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I won't say I'm a good pistol shot, but I carry mine anyway. I try to restrict mine to less than 30 yds ? Could happen!
Silverback7
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I would go with a Nosler JHP at 185 grains with 6.8 gr of SR7625 powder thats right around 870 (6.9 is max load) and that should shoot flat enough for 50 yard or practice your defensive rounds and buy 1000fps hornady defesive max
dogbuster0006
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If you can hit a paper plate size target at that distance consistently you will be fine with either of those calibers. These numbers are straight of hornady's website for 40 smith 165gr and for 45acp 200gr+p load.
Muzzle 50 100 1175/506 1066/416 990/359
Velocity/Energy 4" barrel with the 40, and 5" with the 45
Muzzle 50 100 1055/494 982/428 926/380 If they'll stop a person from getting to you at a distance of 50yd, they'll stop a coyote, no if ands or buts, about it. If you can make a good shot on the dog he will go down, i'd be willing to bet he'll drop.
I remember reading about the MP at Ft Hood who shot and killed a gunman at around 50yd with a 9mm ball rnd which is a 115gr bullet generating only 417ft-lb at the muzzle.
For the record a 40gr v-max from a 22-250 at 400 yd has 410ft-lb of energy, and i've personally seen yotes killed with that load from further that dropped in their tracks...
Muzzle 50 100 1175/506 1066/416 990/359
Velocity/Energy 4" barrel with the 40, and 5" with the 45
Muzzle 50 100 1055/494 982/428 926/380 If they'll stop a person from getting to you at a distance of 50yd, they'll stop a coyote, no if ands or buts, about it. If you can make a good shot on the dog he will go down, i'd be willing to bet he'll drop.
I remember reading about the MP at Ft Hood who shot and killed a gunman at around 50yd with a 9mm ball rnd which is a 115gr bullet generating only 417ft-lb at the muzzle.
For the record a 40gr v-max from a 22-250 at 400 yd has 410ft-lb of energy, and i've personally seen yotes killed with that load from further that dropped in their tracks...
A 45 is fine at 50 yards. Good luck with finding a .40 that will shoot well enough to
engage those distances. As far as killing I rolled a yote last winter while sledding with a glock 27 at about 30 and he didn't get up. I don't think 50 would be any different but
hitting him would have been much easier with the 1911.
engage those distances. As far as killing I rolled a yote last winter while sledding with a glock 27 at about 30 and he didn't get up. I don't think 50 would be any different but
hitting him would have been much easier with the 1911.
REDHEAD
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That much slug hitting anything has to put it down. I enjoy both, but hunting - poly /teflon gets my vote. I have sat on my Glock, dropped it, without a scratch. Glocks are tough. I prefer my XDM 40 as I do not like the rake of the Glock grip. Glock is a fine pistol.
